[sclug] [Fwd: Re: Upgrading to Ubuntu Gutsy (v7.10)]

Darren Davison darren at davisononline.org
Tue Oct 16 15:34:05 UTC 2007

(this time for the list, not just ed.  GRRRRRR.)

On Tue, October 16, 2007 3:18 pm, Ed Davies wrote:
> One contrary opinion:
>    http://www.megginson.com/blogs/quoderat/2007/09/17/ubuntu-gutsy-is-about-to-mess-up/
> As a commenter says, that may just be relevant to the beta
> version.  I hope so.

I've been running pre-release gutsy on both my work laptop (ubuntu) and my
home desktop (xubuntu) for about 6 weeks.  There seem to have been more and
bigger problems (IMO) with gutsy than with the pre-releases of both edgy and

The compiz stuff is now working much better for me on both machines after
experiencing all (and more) of the problems highlighted with it.  Including
the "no other 3D apps issue" and the black window issues (sometimes this is a
config thing: check or uncheck - I forget which - the 'sync to vblank' option
in the compiz config and potentially toggle the 'detect refresh rate' switch
too).  The one problem I still have is with the pauses and freezes, but ONLY
in gnome (ie not on my xubuntu box).

The Java empty window thing is a fault in Sun's JDK which doesn't bother to
query the capability of the incumbent window manager.  They rely on hard
coded constants that identify the WM instead - an approach which is totally
broken and which Sun should be utterly ashamed of themselves for but appear
not to be (judging by their reticence in fixing it despite community supplied
patches over 6 months old.).

My laptop has some poorly supported components by the kernel, so I can't
really evaluate gutsy fairly on it.  I've had to disable the NetWorkManager
(because after a while it freaks out the wireless driver) and I have no sound
and no suspend to disk or RAM despite trying almost every proposed solution
in every forum to make these work.  As I say though, a lot of this is due to
the crappy lenovo (non-thinkpad) laptop which is about to go back to the
supplier for this reason.

The one thing that continues to annoy the hell out of me about ubuntu is this
assumption that you ALWAYS have a gui running.  Unless I'm mistaken, the "oh
so cool" network management stuff only works after logging in to an X session
which is no good for me when I just want to login to use mutt/slrn/other
network app. from a console.  So I reverted to my own network/WPA config
which works fine.  I just wish they'd acknowledge that not all ubuntu users
are windows refugees.

Darren Davison
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Darren Davison
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