[Scottish] Re: Scottish Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1

Mon Dec 22 22:21:46 GMT 2003

WEll, I have been on IRC having a discussion about the idea of a
comittee for SCOTLUG.

the idea of a committee maybe a good idea, but ther are a few questiosn
I have personally regarding the idea, being a n00b and all!

1. what is to be the goal to be attained short term or long term of the
group?

2. what would be the structure of the comittee be? Bearing in a mind a
quarum of 5 people is need to hold a committee meeting.

3. does the group need funds? if so you have a role for a treasurer and
a chairman straight away. but what about at leat another 3 roles? who
could they be filled? 

4. what would the funds be used for? 

5. how would the funds be gathered? would they be subscription charges
for members? how would the limit be set? 

6. A committees role is to make the decisions for the well being of the
group. in that case, meets are still required, at a location of choice?
would the comittee take charge of this decision?
what other decisions are required? this would need to be dtermined after
question 1 has been determined.

7. It has been said that the mailing list should be the main point of
fucus. Why? Yes granted some people do not come into the irc room. do
these people attend the meetings? if not why not? if all they are doing
is looking at the digest then surely this is as bad as the poeople on
irce not using the mailing list.

8. Waht is to be the contect of the mailing list? since Im sure alot of
people do not want to have to repeat themselves in they are using the
room to solve problems?

9. as a solution could the logs not be made available on the webiste for
people to browse on a daily basis? since this would basically be the
same tings as a digest on a daily basis, since people are only going to
read what they want?

Personally I think its a question of better commnication. but that its
not just through once medium. 

Peace out
Kenny

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> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:13:34 +0000
> From: Andy Gilmour <andyg at lodge.glasgownet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Scottish] Date of next meeting
> To: willie at glasgownet.com, SLUG-list <scottish at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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> I know a Bob Kerr over in Douglas, and could imagine him being involved 
> in something like this,
> 
> Willie wrote:
> 
> >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/34593.html
> >
> >
> >
> >Anybody know this Bob Kerr?
> >
> >
> >Best Regards
> >Willie Fleming
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> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:39:43 +0000
> From: Paul Miller <paulm at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [Scottish] Committee element?
> To: SLUG-list <scottish at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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> ptb wrote:
> > Hallo all : -
> > 
> > Time for another lead balloon, since
> > http://websurf.nao.rl.ac.uk/ would lead you to tomorrow 22nd
> > giving us the winter solstice at 0704 UTC.
> > 
> hough, so if the world of
> > Linux and LUGs in UK or their equivalents abroad does without
> > committees or suchlike organizational forms that's good enough
> > for me anyway.
> > 
> > My proposal is that an interim group of volunteers (?say the
> > first five who joined SLUG if willing to serve, along with,
> > similarly, the most recent ten to sign up?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> Ok, a lurker (tho' I made it to one meeting!!!).
> 
> But I have been following this thread and the ones leading to it.  And I 
> am a political user of Linux (IOW, my children's games won't go on 
> anything but *doze so I adopt a pragmatic attitude).
> 
> But: yes.
> 
> FFS guys, it is a cool club, yeah.  But not everyone can go on the piss 
> once a month and give / contribute anything meaningful to SLUG - not 
> really.  Don't expect this.  You are - by default - excluding a useful 
> cohort.
> 
> If you want to *make a difference* then you have to get in the groove.
> 
> And, if you are to meaningfully change or influence the Scottish Exec's 
> opinion (or even that of local business or consumers) then you are going 
> to *have* to have a more formal structure.
> 
> I mean, it is cool if you do not want this - and the formally named " 
> *SCOTTISH* Linux User Group" may not -  but as a title which is 
> suggestive of authority and / or probity then you may wish to rethink 
> your role or name!
> 
> Stop fu**ing around - you clearly have much talent and enthusiasm and 
> even potential to influence in this group of geeks. ;)
> 
> Elect a secretary, chairperson and committee - agree a constitution - 
> and get on with changing the country for the better.
> 
> Oor weans *need* free software.  It is your responsibility to ensure it 
> is there for them.
> 
> --
> Dr Paul Mll*e*r
> Crownpoint Medical Practice
> Glasgow
> 
> 
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> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:12:27 +0000
> From: Ben Thorp <THORPB at uk.ibm.com>
> Subject: [Scottish] ScotLUG 2004
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> 
> 
> Following a discussion on Thursday night in the Counting House, we now have
> some offers of talks available, and I would like to propose the following
> calendar:
> 
> January - Bring your favourite Linux book/gadget; time to show off all
> those cool things you got for Christmas, and inspire some geek envy.
> February - Neuro on Smoothwall
> March - gordonjcp on encryption (aimed at all levels)
> April - Easter Quiz (bigkevmcd? up for this again)
> May - Gaming on Linux (volunteers to demo some games?)
> June - Me (mrBen) on something - maybe Python or MagicPoint, or something
> like that?
> 
> In addition, Tony (Dyer) has offered on the website to do a short beginners
> corner slot each month, and I suggest we take him up on this for any months
> he is present. Plus the usual Q+A session will be run.
> 
> Also, Willie will try and get in contact with Bob Kerr (the guy responsible
> for getting OSS into libraries) and see if he is able to come and give a
> talk on one of the months (in which case the schedule above will change)
> 
> 
> As a point of note, the following issues were also raised:
> 
> 1. Each week does not necessarily need to be a 'talk', nor does it
> necessarily need to be the realm of a single individual. We want everyone
> to feel that they are able to contribute to what happens. If you are
> comfortable doing a 'talk' or presentation, then that's fine, but if you
> would rather do things a little bit differently, then that's also fine.
> 
> 2. The idea of a committee is one that brings fear into the heart of many,
> most of whom have served on committee's until they're blue in the face.
> Most open source projects successfully run without a committee, but rather
> by peer review and discussion. The feeling on Thursday was that this was
> the way forward, and that we should be able to organise ourselves without a
> rigid organisational structure.
> 
> 
> None of this is set in stone, but at least we now have something to go on.
> Please can those on IRC ensure that any additional discussion is also
> referenced to the list for completeness sake.
> 
> Ben Thorp
> 
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