[Sussex] Re: Sussex Digest, Vol 95, Issue 1
John Gregory
john_gregory at onetel.com
Mon Jul 11 09:19:07 UTC 2005
I like the Spanish system. A set of traffic lights at the entrance to a
village which remain at green if you approach within the limit and
change to red if you exceed it. They stay at red for a hell of a long
time too!
John Gregory
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> 1. Re: Copywrite and the Old Woman ... (Angelo Servini)
> 2. RE: Copywrite and the Old Woman ... (Paul Graydon)
> 3. Re: Copywrite and the Old Woman ... (Mark Harrison (Groups))
> 4. RE: Copywrite and the Old Woman ... (Frances Fleming)
> 5. Re: Copywrite and the Old Woman ... (Richie Jarvis)
> 6. Knoppix 3.9 / pen drive test - volunteers wanted (Frances Fleming)
> 7. Re: PVR box (Freeview) (Chris Jones)
> 8. Gentoo headaches!!! (Dominic Clay)
> 9. Re: Gentoo headaches!!! (Stephen Williams)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:13:40 +0100
>From: Angelo Servini <angelo at servini.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [Sussex] Copywrite and the Old Woman ...
>To: tealeg at member.fsf.org, LUG email list for the Sussex Counties
> <sussex at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>Message-ID: <42D17364.8040304 at servini.co.uk>
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>Geoff Teale wrote:
>
>
>
>>I should add
>>that I regularly break the speed limit despite knowing this is wrong and
>>being well aware of the potentially tragic consequences of this action. This
>>only goes to prove that education isn't the entire cure to any problem -
>>given the real-world freedom to do something stupid and potentially harmfull
>>human beings will do so. I am actively trying to stop myself from driving
>>recklessly (in much the same way people give up smoking) lets see how I get
>>on :-) The interesting thing here is that speed cameras do work. I slow
>>down for them. As we all know, people speed up again once they are past them
>>- there must be a better solution without being to intrusive.
>>
>>
>>
>Hi Geoff.
>
>I agree in principle with your statement about speeding - and I am one of the
>worst offenders in this respect (I had 9 points at one time). What do you think
>of the scheme that the government wants to put into practice. For example, the
>electronic tagging of all cars so that they can be tracked by satellite?
>
>As for speeding, this would eliminate it overnight! Howvever, the moral and
>social implications are many. I believe that the negative implications outweigh
>the good, and to be blunt, I dont trust this lot as far as I can throw them.
>
>Angelo.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:20:28 +0100
>From: "Paul Graydon" <paul at paulgraydon.co.uk>
>Subject: RE: [Sussex] Copywrite and the Old Woman ...
>To: "'LUG email list for the Sussex Counties'"
> <sussex at mailman.lug.org.uk>, <tealeg at member.fsf.org>
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: sussex-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
>>[mailto:sussex-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Angelo Servini
>>Sent: 10 July 2005 20:14
>>To: tealeg at member.fsf.org; LUG email list for the Sussex Counties
>>Subject: Re: [Sussex] Copywrite and the Old Woman ...
>>
>>
>>Geoff Teale wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I should add
>>>that I regularly break the speed limit despite knowing this
>>>
>>>
>>is wrong and
>>
>>
>>>being well aware of the potentially tragic consequences of
>>>
>>>
>>this action. This
>>
>>
>>>only goes to prove that education isn't the entire cure to
>>>
>>>
>>any problem -
>>
>>
>>>given the real-world freedom to do something stupid and
>>>
>>>
>>potentially harmfull
>>
>>
>>>human beings will do so. I am actively trying to stop
>>>
>>>
>>myself from driving
>>
>>
>>>recklessly (in much the same way people give up smoking)
>>>
>>>
>>lets see how I get
>>
>>
>>>on :-) The interesting thing here is that speed cameras
>>>
>>>
>>do work. I slow
>>
>>
>>>down for them. As we all know, people speed up again once
>>>
>>>
>>they are past them
>>
>>
>>>- there must be a better solution without being to intrusive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Hi Geoff.
>>
>>I agree in principle with your statement about speeding - and
>>I am one of the
>>worst offenders in this respect (I had 9 points at one time).
>> What do you think
>>of the scheme that the government wants to put into practice.
>> For example, the
>>electronic tagging of all cars so that they can be tracked by
>>satellite?
>>
>>As for speeding, this would eliminate it overnight!
>>Howvever, the moral and
>>social implications are many. I believe that the negative
>>implications outweigh
>>the good, and to be blunt, I dont trust this lot as far as I
>>can throw them.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Once they tag your cars and can track you by satellite, what next?
>Maybe they should tag you, stick an RFID chip in you so they can see
>where you have or haven't been, so they can eliminate you from any crime
>scene? I hate to get 1984ish, but as an innocent person I fear
>compulsory ID cards and satellite tracking. The potential for abuse is
>just too great. Falsify a few records on a computer, and all of a
>sudden they could have information to show I was somewhere I wasn't,
>doing something I didn't do. All just a little too scary for me :-)
>
>
>Paul
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:52:11 +0100
>From: "Mark Harrison (Groups)" <mph at ascentium.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [Sussex] Copywrite and the Old Woman ...
>To: LUG email list for the Sussex Counties
> <sussex at mailman.lug.org.uk>, tealeg at member.fsf.org
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>On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 23:59 +0100, Geoff Teale wrote:
>
>
>>The interesting thing here is that speed cameras do work. I slow
>>down for them.
>>
>>
>
>It's interesting that you are using the colloquial term "speed cameras"
>for them, and therefore concluding that they work.
>
>Were you to use the technically correct term "safety cameras", then you
>would, perhaps, be forced to conclude otherwise.
>
>One of the most shocking graphs I ever saw was the DECLINE in road
>deaths from 1950-2000. The line went down at a relatively steep angle
>until a particular point, at which point it noticeably got shallower.
>
>That is to say, the number of deaths still declined, but the rate of
>decline was lower than before, or put another way, the "road safety"
>policies were still effective but nothing like as effective as the
>previous policies.
>
>The date of the kink in the line coincided with the change in policy
>away from "safety and skill" to "speed kills".
>
>M.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:08:12 +0100
>From: Frances Fleming <fay at uthink.co.uk>
>Subject: [Sussex] RE: Copywrite and the Old Woman ...
>To: sussex at mailman.lug.org.uk
>Message-ID: <42D18E3C.9020907 at uthink.co.uk>
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>On Sun Jul 10 20:52:56 BST 2005, Mark Harrison wrote:
>
>
>>The date of the kink in the line coincided with the change in policy
>>away from "safety and skill" to "speed kills".
>>
>>
>
>If someone disagrees with something, they will tend to ignore it out of
>protest at best, or destroy it at worst.
>Whereas people tend to rise to expectations if they agree to what is
>expected.
>Come to think of it, if you expect speed to kill, then it can well do so.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:21:30 +0100
>From: Richie Jarvis <richie at helkit.com>
>Subject: Re: [Sussex] Copywrite and the Old Woman ...
>To: LUG email list for the Sussex Counties <sussex at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>Message-ID: <42D1AD7A.90000 at helkit.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Mark Harrison (Groups) wrote:
>
>
>>On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 23:59 +0100, Geoff Teale wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>The interesting thing here is that speed cameras do work. I slow
>>>down for them.
>>>
>>>
>>It's interesting that you are using the colloquial term "speed cameras"
>>for them, and therefore concluding that they work.
>>
>>Were you to use the technically correct term "safety cameras", then you
>>would, perhaps, be forced to conclude otherwise.
>>
>>One of the most shocking graphs I ever saw was the DECLINE in road
>>deaths from 1950-2000. The line went down at a relatively steep angle
>>until a particular point, at which point it noticeably got shallower.
>>
>>That is to say, the number of deaths still declined, but the rate of
>>decline was lower than before, or put another way, the "road safety"
>>policies were still effective but nothing like as effective as the
>>previous policies.
>>
>>The date of the kink in the line coincided with the change in policy
>>away from "safety and skill" to "speed kills".
>>
>>
>Personally, I have no problem with them, as long as they are properly
>placed, i.e. in villages and outside schools where they actually do alot
>of good. However, those seem to be the rarest sort of cameras on our
>roads - most of them are placed in the accident blackspots - and alot of
>those blackspots are places where doing the speed limit is not advisable
>anyway.
>
>The thing that really ticks me off however, is the lack of police
>presence on our roads - just because cameras are in place to capture ONE
>offence doesn't mean that the force can be reduced - yet that is exactly
>what has happened - a number of police forces have actually scrapped
>their highway patrols as a result, and to me, that is disgusting.
>
>As some of you know, I ride a motorbike, and I do alot of miles around
>this fair county of ours - the amount of non-speeding related offences I
>see everyday is staggering - mostly people driving 3 inches from my back
>wheel when I am sticking to the speed limit - something which I do
>whilst in a restricted limit (de-restricted is another matter however!)
>
>Speed doesn't kill, it is the inability of drivers (and riders) to
>correctly judge the road ahead and the road conditions that kills.
>
>The talk of satellite tracking also gives me the willies - what a very
>stupid idea - they have even talked about remotely controlling the speed
>of the vehicle so that it is incapable of speeding - now that,
>especially for a motorcycle, is a very very dangerous thing to do -
>imagine the consequences of taking a corner at just over the limit, and
>having your bike slowed down remotely whilst half-way through the bend -
>instant accident.
>
>Anyway, enough of a rant from me - am going to bed now - enjoy all!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Richie
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:03:44 +0100
>From: Frances Fleming <fay at uthink.co.uk>
>Subject: [Sussex] Knoppix 3.9 / pen drive test - volunteers wanted
>To: sussex at mailman.lug.org.uk
>Message-ID: <42D1B760.6040107 at uthink.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Knoppix 3.9 hangs or errors when saving to my pen drive - so I'm
>calling for volunteers to test drive it.
>
>As most of you will know, I help man our stand at the BCF Worthing,
>where we promote and sell the live Knoppix disk. I take my laptop
>along and give demonstrations of some of the applications, including
>saving to and opening from the pen drive.
>
>So the workings of any new Knoppix are of interest to me.
>If any of you can get hold of the Knoppix 3.9 live disk, could I
>please ask you to do a test drive for me? The five tests are listed
>at the foot of this posting.
>The tests are specifically related to use of a USB pen drive.
>
>I have been using the live Knoppix disks for OpenOffice trials of
>Writer, Calc and Impress, and for Gimp.
>My laptop is a Dell Latitude C640 with 256MB RAM.
>My friend's laptop is a Toshiba Tecra, unsure what RAM.
>One of my PCs is a Packard Bell with 256MB RAM.
>The pen drive is a Kingston DataTraveler USB 2.0.
>All above machines recognise the pen drive automatically and
>display its icon on the desktop.
>I then go into its properties, change it to be writable and remount.
>The pen drive holds several files created on my various Linux
>machines and some Windows files.
>
>With the Knoppix 3.8 I had no problems saving GIMP or OOo 1.4 files
>to my Kingston pen drive and reopening files located on the same
>pen drive either via the pen drive icon or via the application's
>File > Open menu.
>
>The Knoppix 3.9 disk features OOo 2.0 (or I think really 1.9??) and
>the GIMP 2.2.7. Both suites work really well at the create stage..
>
>But with 3.9 on either laptop it hangs on any of the following
>operations:
>Test 3:
>- From File > Save, browse to the pen drive and save the file.
> - obviously requires browsing to the pen drive mount point:
> just trying to open /mnt mostly locks dialog up completely
> requiring Knoppix restart. At least this can be done via
> the GUI log out button.
> So wasn't able to save a GIMP or OOo file for first time.
>Test 4:
>- From File > Open, browse to the pen drive and repoen the file.
> - In my case this has to be a file saved by the earlier 3.8 disk.
> Same problem with browsing via dialog, so no success.
>Test 5:
>- Repoen the file via the pen drive icon on the desktop.
> - Again I only had files saved by the earlier 3.8 disk.
> Has never succeeded. Yes, it launches OpenOffice. Yes, the
> file progress bar displays. But ends with blank, grey screen.
> Which will not close via any of the GUI methods. Requires GUI
> machine restart, otherwise won't launch any other OOo app.
>However, if by much patience and restarting the disk, I manage
>to save a file (I did it in GIMP), it will reopen it fine (but only from
>the pen
>drive icon on the desktop, not through the application's
>File > Open menu).
>
>There is a slight difference in performance on my desktop:
>Test 3:
>- From File > Save, browse to the pen drive and save the file.
> - browsing to the pen drive mount point was no problem.
> Trying to save a Writer file resulted in this message:
> Error saving the document Untitled1:
> /mnt/uba1/fay_test_writer.odt does not exist.
> Clicking OK resulted in a second message:
> Error saving the document Untitled1:
> General Error.
> General input/output error.
>Test 6:
>- Repeat using a floppy if you have one.
> - my desktop has a floppy drive, and I couldn't even save
> to that. I couln't even save a plain editor file.
>
>This is obviously a big issue, not only because I demonstrate
>the disk at the Worthing BCF but because we also sell them.
>Last Sunday, I switched back from the troublesome new 3.9 disk
>to the tried and trusted 3.8 disk. After the fair I tried a
>different disk with the same result.
>
>I naturally want all our customers to have the best possible
>experience with the live Knoppix disk, whether they use a
>desktop or laptop, or do or don't use a pen drive.
>
>So could I please ask for volunteers to test drive the 3.9
>version (or 4 if we're going to start selling that)?
>It doesn't matter what sort of laptop or desktop you have,
>but please specify both the machine and the pen drive.
>
>Please test with both GIMP and OpenOffice.
>The tests are:
>1. Mount your USB pen drive write enabled.
>2. Open GIMP or OpenOffice application and create a file.
>3. From File > Save, browse to the pen drive and save the file.
>4. From File > Open, browse to the pen drive and repoen the file.
>5. Repoen the file via the pen drive icon on the desktop.
>6. Repeat using a floppy if you have one.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>P.S. Please remember that this test is on behalf of users
>who may never have heard of the CLI :)
>
>P.P.S. If 3.9 won't save easily to any pen drive or floppy,
>we will know to warn our customers, or better, give them a
>choice between the earlier 3.8 and the newer 3.9.
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:19:36 +0100 (BST)
>From: "Chris Jones" <cmsj at tenshu.net>
>Subject: Re: [Sussex] PVR box (Freeview)
>To: paul at paulgraydon.co.uk, "LUG email list for the Sussex Counties"
> <sussex at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>Message-ID:
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>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-15
>
>Hi
>
>On Fri, 8 July, 2005 17:34, Paul Graydon said:
>
>
>>>From looking around it doesn't seem too hard to manage, has anyone got
>>any experience of doing a similar project, or seen somewhere on the web
>>
>>
>
>Have a look at VDR, it seems to be a pretty excellent and extensible pvr
>system. a couple of friends have set it up with new dvb-t hauppage cards
>and it works very well. One has a plugin installed that easily dumps
>programs to dvd.
>
>Cheers,
>
>
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