[SWLUG] Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 5, Issue 20

[Alun]

My Thanks to Adam Rykala

He came up with what I needed alt-F2 then I could enter run command MCC to
alter the settings for my mouse, I got it to work by telling Mandrake it was
a "Microsoft Intelli Mouse"

As I said to Adam another lesson learned.

Thanks Guys

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>    1. Re: When you loose your boot loader (Gerald Davies)
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>    3. Re: mandrake is C**P (Telsa Gwynne)
>    4. Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 5, Issue 19 (Alun)
>    5. Re: RE: mdk mouse probs (Adam Rykala)
>    6. Re: mandrake is C**P (Gerald Davies)
>    7. Re: mandrake is C**P (Lee Westlake)
>    8. ubuntu (plod)
>    9. Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 5, Issue 19 (Marcus Davage)
>   10. Re: Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 5, Issue 19 (Julian Hall)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:01:21 +0000
> From: Gerald Davies <gerald.davies at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SWLUG] When you loose your boot loader
> To: Dafydd Walters <dafydd at walters-home.net>
> Cc: discuss at swlug.org.uk
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> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:43:17 -0000, Dafydd Walters
> <dafydd at walters-home.net> wrote:
> >
> > If you get really stuck, a nice tool is Smart Boot Manager:
> > http://btmgr.webframe.org/  It supports booting from floppy or CD-ROM.
> >
>
> I happened to use GAG when I had problems dual booting FreeBSD 5.x
> with Windows XP.  Simple to use, worked flawlessly.  Not sure how they
> compare (SBM looks more complex), but at the time it served its
> purpose so I never really looked around.
>
> http://gag.sourceforge.net/
>
> g
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:52:41 +0000
> From: "Emyr42 ." <emyr42 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [SWLUG] RE: mdk mouse probs
> To: discuss at swlug.org.uk
> Message-ID: <BAY101-F36930174EA8C4EA660C6A3CA870 at phx.gbl>
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>
> I have as MS optical USB wheelmouse, and it doesn't reckognise mine
either.
> I just added a serial mouse for linux, and disabled it to windows, but it
> seems silly to have a mouse for each.
> and when i finally got that to work, there was no sound, but AC97 systems
> (esp VIA) have been buggy in the past.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:24:20 +0000
> From: Telsa Gwynne <hobbit at aloss.ukuu.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [SWLUG] mandrake is C**P
> To: discuss at swlug.org.uk
> Message-ID: <20050126132420.GB6730 at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
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> On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 02:57:41AM -0000 or thereabouts, Alun wrote:
> > Hi Guys.
> >
> > Another problem, during setup of this alternate O.S> mandrake 10 I told
it I
> > had a wheel mouse, but this so and so programme does not recognise it at
> > all.
> ...
> > Can anyone tell me what keys I have to press to get to where I want to
go so
> > I can change the thing to a bog standard mouse which is the only thing
this
> > programme understands.
>
> Which program are you talking about? Or do you mean the entire
> operating system and all the programs on it?
>
> There are supposed to be keyboard shortcuts to everything in
> the installer program. Or so I was told when the installer didn't
> recognise my mouse. You should find them in the online documentation
> somewhere, I should think.
>
> Failing that, I still have a file which lists the shortcuts in the
> installer. But it dates from May 2000. I don't know whether it is
> still current. It is possible that it is not only wrong now but
> also dangerously wrong. I am not sure that I should send it to
> the list without finding out: if it ends up in the archives and
> is wrong, it might be bad :)
>
> > Why they boast that its the easiest for a newbee to work with is beyond
me,
> > SUSE never gave me this much work when I had it installed and running it
> > worked no matter what mouise you told it was.
>
> There is a big difference between "easiest to install" and "after
> the install, easiest to run". There is another big difference
> between ease of install on the most utterly plain and heavily-tested
> hardware and ease of install on anything else. Trust me. I am an
> expert at getting "should work, but doesn't" hardware!
>
> I'm not entirely clear from your message what you're asking for.
> Do you want a way to redo the install and this time to tell it
> different settings? Or a way to sort things out without re-installing?
>
> If the latter, are you happy at the command-line? I know how I
> would go about investigating and trying to fix this, but you
> need to be happy with a text editor (not a word processor: an
> editor like vim, joe, pico/nano or emacs) and a text prompt.
> Just in _case_ something goes wrong... :)
>
> Telsa
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:54:28 -0000
> From: "Alun" <alun.pd1 at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: [SWLUG] Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 5, Issue 19
> To: <discuss at swlug.org.uk>
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> Gee thanks for your advice Keith.
>
> I posted this at 04.00 this morning eyes on my ankles after getting
Mandrake
> to put a boot loader so I can get into windows, frankly I was knackered
and
> stressed.
>
>
>
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> >    1. When you loose your boot loader (Alun)
> >    2. mandrake is C**P (Alun)
> >    3. Re: When you loose your boot loader (Keith Edmunds)
> >    4. Re: When you loose your boot loader (Dick Bain)
> >    5. Re: When you loose your boot loader (Dafydd Walters)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:26:39 -0000
> > From: "Alun" <alun.pd1 at ntlworld.com>
> > Subject: [SWLUG] When you loose your boot loader
> > To: <discuss at swlug.org.uk>
> > Message-ID: <001101c5034e$773dd300$2102a8c0 at WorkGroup>
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> >
> > HI Guys.
> >
> > What do you have to type in when you loose your bootloaderfor example
you
> > want to upgrade or do a clean install of the system (like I did tonight)
> but
> > the disks were damaged after I told it to format the hdd with Linux on
it
> as
> > a clean install problem it dived and then it would not boot to windows.
> >
> > Panic stations m/c dead, fortunately I had another O.S linux I could try
> so
> > I did and it came back for me, but what can I do in the futurewhenit
gets
> to
> > the stage where it is looking for theboot loader and its not there or
one
> of
> > the systems is not there, how do I get into windows at least.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:57:41 -0000
> > From: "Alun" <alun.pd1 at ntlworld.com>
> > Subject: [SWLUG] mandrake is C**P
> > To: <discuss at swlug.org.uk>
> > Message-ID: <000b01c50352$cd8e8c00$2102a8c0 at WorkGroup>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Hi Guys.
> >
> > Another problem, during setup of this alternate O.S> mandrake 10 I told
it
> I
> > had a wheel mouse, but this so and so programme does not recognise it at
> > all.
> >
> > I tried to tab my way into the setup but I cannot access the start
button
> to
> > try getting into system setup and alter it.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what keys I have to press to get to where I want to
go
> so
> > I can change the thing to a bog standard mouse which is the only thing
> this
> > programme understands.
> >
> > Why they boast that its the easiest for a newbee to work with is beyond
> me,
> > SUSE never gave me this much work when I had it installed and running it
> > worked no matter what mouise you told it was.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Alun
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:16:33 +0000
> > From: Keith Edmunds <keith at midnighthax.com>
> > Subject: Re: [SWLUG] When you loose your boot loader
> > To: discuss at swlug.org.uk
> > Message-ID: <20050126081633.328b3de8 at zaphod>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >
> > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:26:39 -0000
> > "Alun" <alun.pd1 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What do you have to type in when you loose your bootloaderfor example
> you
> > > want to upgrade or do a clean install of the system (like I did
tonight)
> > > but the disks were damaged after I told it to format the hdd with
Linux
> > > on it as a clean install problem it dived and then it would not boot
to
> > > windows.
> >
> > You may not thank me for it, but the best advice I can give you is to
read
> > through your postings to this list before you actually send them, and
ask
> > yourself how easy they are to understand. It may be trendy to use poor
> > grammar and little or no punctuation (I wouldn't know what's trendy: I'm
a
> > middle-aged balding old git), but it doesn't make your question easy to
> > understand. That, in turn, reduces the likelihood of you getting a
helpful
> > response.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:32:44 +0000
> > From: Dick Bain <dick at towy71.uklinux.net>
> > Subject: Re: [SWLUG] When you loose your boot loader
> > To: Alun <alun.pd1 at ntlworld.com>
> > Cc: discuss at swlug.org.uk
> > Message-ID: <41F755AC.8030200 at towy71.uklinux.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> >
> > Alun wrote:
> > > HI Guys.
> > >
> > <snip>
> >   how do I get into windows at least.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > if you are running Win98, boot from a windows 98 floppy disk and type
> > "fdisk /mbr" or, if you use XP, boot from the XP cd or "XP 6 floppy desk
> > set" and get into Recovery Console from there run FIXMBR and FIXBOOT.
> > fixmbr will rewrite the mbr and fixboot will rewrite the volume boot
code
> > HTH
> > Dick
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:43:17 -0000
> > From: "Dafydd Walters" <dafydd at walters-home.net>
> > Subject: Re: [SWLUG] When you loose your boot loader
> > To: <discuss at swlug.org.uk>
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> > reply-type=response
> >
> > >  how do I get into windows at least.
> >
> > If you get really stuck, a nice tool is Smart Boot Manager:
> > http://btmgr.webframe.org/  It supports booting from floppy or CD-ROM.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:16:09 +0000
> From: Adam Rykala <adam at rykala.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [SWLUG] RE: mdk mouse probs
> To: discuss at swlug.org.uk
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> Emyr42 . wrote:
> >
> > I have as MS optical USB wheelmouse, and it doesn't reckognise mine
> > either. I just added a serial mouse for linux, and disabled it to
> > windows, but it seems silly to have a mouse for each.
> > and when i finally got that to work, there was no sound, but AC97
> > systems (esp VIA) have been buggy in the past.
> >
> My MDK experience was that it found the mouse just fine - however you
> HAVE to scroll the wheel when the installer asks.. and in 99% of cases
> the generic PS2 Scrollwheel mouse setting worked with most mice.
>
> I had the optical wireless MS Mouse, which worked fine except for an
> issue that was common to Windows and Linux - it would forget to pass
> mouse clicks on, and so you couldn't click anything. However as I said
> that was a hardware issue as I've seen many of these mice do it in
> Windows, and this one also did in Windows when tested on another pc.
>
> Its now dead, as in a fit of pique I threw it against a wall ;-) I now
> use a cheapy Packard Bell wireless mouse.... though for good cheap
> cabled optical mice the Memorex ones are hard to beat...
>
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> /Adam Rykala/
> /adam at rykala.demon.co.uk/
> /Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
> /
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:50:29 +0000
> From: Gerald Davies <gerald.davies at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [SWLUG] mandrake is C**P
> To: Alun <alun.pd1 at ntlworld.com>
> Cc: discuss at swlug.org.uk
> Message-ID: <16aa0e180501260750169806c7 at mail.gmail.com>
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> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:57:41 -0000, Alun <alun.pd1 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >
> > Why they boast that its the easiest for a newbee to work with is beyond
me,
> >
>
> It is.  Maybe it says something about you ;-)
>
> g
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:50:50 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Lee Westlake <lee_westlake at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [SWLUG] mandrake is C**P
> To: discuss at swlug.org.uk
> Message-ID: <20050126185050.55702.qmail at web25304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I'd recommend trying Fedora linux. I am a programmer
> not a sys-admin, but with this particular system I
> managed to set-up a WWW/E-Mail/SSH/NFS/Samba server in
> just a couple of days.
>
> As I am comfortable with the unix environment, yet
> possess precious little knowledge pertaining to its
> configuration, I really wanted a quick and easy
> solution that wasn't going to cost the earth.
>
> Every piece of harware, including several external USB
> backup devices, installed painlessly without the need
> for additional drivers or kernel compilation.
>
> Don't get me wrong, if you're new to the scene,
> configuring a unix system takes a little effort and
> alot of perserverance!
>
> Newbie Unix Tip #1 : If you spend just a little time
> familiarising yourself with the basics, the experts
> will be all too willing to bail you out.  Trust me,
> these guys are fantastic, but it's imperative you
> aquire a firm grasp of their language!
>
> Cheers, Lee.
>
>  --- Gerald Davies <gerald.davies at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:57:41 -0000, Alun
> > <alun.pd1 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Why they boast that its the easiest for a newbee
> > to work with is beyond me,
> > >
> >
> > It is.  Maybe it says something about you ;-)
> >
> > g
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:05:22 -0000
> From: "plod" <plod at b0c.net>
> Subject: [SWLUG] ubuntu
> To: <discuss at swlug.org.uk>
> Message-ID: <200501261905.j0QJ5O8n009174 at tallyho.bc.nu>
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> I'd just like to thank, whoever mentioned ubuntu in the email thread last
> week; it is precisely the linux distro I have been looking for. The guy
> looking for a pre-installed linux box, this distro is for you, ok so you
> have to do it yourself, but what you have to do is minimal.
>
> My 2penneth
>
> Daniel (plod)
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:42:43 +0000
> From: Marcus Davage <marcusdavage at onetel.com>
> Subject: [SWLUG] Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 5, Issue 19
> To: discuss at swlug.org.uk
> Message-ID: <20050127094243.9v6m0rjhogccwgs4 at mailzone.onetel.net.uk>
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>
> Apart from a failed atttempt to put RedHat 2.x on my old P90 back in
> 1995/6, my
> first experience with Linux was Mandrake 7.2. Each installation, 8.x, 9.x
and
> now 10.0 has been fine. I've only ever had to download extra support for
my
> winmodem. Mandrake gets my thumbs up!
>
> WRT your problem, Alun, I must admit that Mdk 10.0 said it did not
> recognise my
> wheel modem either, even though it did actually work. This, I think, is a
bug
> in the control centre, but I might be wrong. Although I do not know the
key
> strokes you are after, you could try asking the following mandrake lists:
>
> Mandrake-Linux at yahoogroups.com
> newbie at linux-mandrake.com
> expert at linux-mandrake.com
>
> I've found them all to be helpful.
>
> Marcus
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:07:42 +0000
> From: Julian Hall <lists at kaotic.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [SWLUG] Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 5, Issue 19
> To: SWLUG <discuss at swlug.org.uk>
> Message-ID: <41F8BD6E.80504 at kaotic.co.uk>
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> Marcus Davage wrote:
>
> > WRT your problem, Alun, I must admit that Mdk 10.0 said it did not
> > recognise my
> > wheel mouse
>
> The only thing I *would* say with Mandrake is that as a general rule (in
> my experience anyway) how the mouse behaves during the install is the
> opposite of how it behaves post-install.  Weird I know but true.  Many
> times I've installed and found the mouse to work during install, but
> then dies running the installed system.  However I've always got it to
> run with a little fiddling.
>
> In other words, don't despair if it doesn't work during the install,
> just go ahead anyway :)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Julian
>
>
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