[SWLUG] Fedora 11 es1371 borked sound

[Mike Martin]

2009/6/18 Phillip Muldoon <pkmuldoon at picobot.org>:
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> 2009/6/18 Steve Hill <steve at nexusuk.org>
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>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Phillip Muldoon wrote:
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>>> Well, if it was RPM-based, it would be a variation of CentOS since
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>> Not true - lots of distros use RPM, even ones that have nothing to do with
>> CentOS.
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>> In any case, I don't see why the packaging method has *any* bearing at all
>> on whether the distro likes your hardware - this seems to be a red herring.
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> Just to nit pick on quoting, I did not say that ;)
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>>>      Ubuntu has just seemed to be ahead of Fedora in terms of
>>>      usability for
>>>      years and seems to have less hassles with hardware (without
>>>      it being
>>>      user error).
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>>> You're going to have to qualify this statement, you knew it was coming.
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>> I think this is possibly a "what did you use first" thing.  Personally I
>> find Ubuntu very unuserfriendly compared to Fedora, but Ubuntu does seem to
>> be an extremely popular introductory distro.  There are probably a number of
>> factors here:
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>> Firstly, Ubuntu's marketting machine has been much better than most other
>> free (beer) distros - Canonical have sunk a *lot* of money into the
>> marketting.  I'll leave everyone to make their own decision on whether this
>> was a Good Thing or if they should have been spending that money on
>> developers. :)
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>> Secondly, Windows users who are trying Linux for the first time seem to be
>> happier with Ubuntu - this may partly be down to the marketting thing (so it
>> was the first thing they tried) but also it may simply be that Ubuntu's UI
>> is more Windows-like.  Of course, being Windows-like isn't necessarilly a
>> good thing for long-term Linux users - I find Windows' UI to be about the
>> least userfriendly thing out there. :)
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>> At this point, I'll say that the Linux distros I have mostly used for the
>> past 12 years have been Red Hat Linux, Fedora, RHEL and CentOS, so my
>> judgement may be coloured by a familiarity with Red Hat based distros.  I
>> also haven't used Windows for anything serious in the last 8 years.
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> I really like them both, and they both have thier place.  I was curious to
> the nature of why replacing one with the other would solve a (this) problem.
> Does Ubuntu have a kernel with better sound drivers? Less buggy? I dunno,
> was asking why this was suggested as a solution. I'm researching the
> original issue, and that normally means using bugzilla and finding previous
> reports. This can be  tedious. I wish we could fix/improve bugzilla ;)
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>>> And secondly the the distros are built pretty much from the same
>>> software.
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>> Ahh, but it is probably the default configuration that makes most of the
>> difference rather than the actual software used.  With enough time, you can
>> make Ubuntu *look* very close to Fedora, for example, through simple
>> reconfiguration, but who wants to spend the time doing that?
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>> As an example, (I'll get flamed for this, but...) I find Debian a pretty
>> horendous distro because the default configuration for *everything* seems to
>> be terrible.  Yes, I can spend hours reconfiguring it to act sensibly, but
>> why would I bother when I can pick one of a large number of other distros
>> which comes sensibly configured out of the box?
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>> I'll also take this opportunity to mention that, in my experience, the
>> most popular distros used in industry (mainly on servers) seem to be
>> RHEL/CentOS and to a lesser extent, SLES; so whatever you use at home, it is
>> very worthwhile having a good knowledge of Red Hat style distros, assuming
>> that you're in (or want to be in) that sort of job.
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> I used (and still use Debian) for years.  My job requires me to run many
> different distros, as I generally work upstream in projects. But I've been
> with Fedora (and RHL before that), when it was born.  I really want to
> improve it. If it is failing somewhere it should be fixed. And remain
> positive too; the future for Linux of all stripes has never looked better,
> or brighter.
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> Regards
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> Phil
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