[Watford] RE: Watford Digest, Vol 72, Issue 10
Kevin Brown
kevin at rkbrown.co.uk
Mon Dec 3 09:34:08 GMT 2007
My sincere apologies - the next meeting would have been my first and I
looked forward to it. However, Christmas looms (and all that goes with it)
so unfortunately so will not be able to make this month's mtg.
I look forward to next, I would have enjoyed PHP which I use as hobbyist.
Happy Christmas
Kevin
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1. Re: PHP (Steven Acreman)
2. RE: Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot sequence.
(walt)
3. Re: Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot sequence.
(Steven Acreman)
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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:19:55 +0000
From: "Steven Acreman" <sacreman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Watford] PHP
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All,
My mobile number is 07738 198 788. Feel free to give me a call if you need
instructions getting to Leavesden Park, have trouble with the carpark
barriers and of course for me to let you into the building.
Thanks,
Steven Acreman
On 02/12/2007, walt <walt at helvatron.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Will do then. Mind you, Neel will have to be there and do his stuff
> because
> this is well beyond my current level of knowledge. But, hopefully, not
> for
> much longer.
>
> Did somebody say they were going to give us a mobile number in case we
> have
> trouble finding the place in Leavesden Park.
>
> Walter
> -----Original Message-----
> From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Cliff Deamer
> Sent: 02 December 2007 12:22
> To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: RE: [Watford] PHP
>
> Another good input Walter, I am sure we would all like to get Yvan
> involved in the discussion.
> cheers Cliff
>
>
> On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 10:41 +0000, walt wrote:
> > Many thanks again Yvan. If you fancy an outing to the nightlife of
> Leavesden
> > I can offer you a lift in my 'Ford Fiesta' :-) I grant you it isn't
> easy
> to
> > get to but depending on where you live in Ricky, we can take the M25 to
> > Huntonbridge and its just up the road from there.
> >
> > I live near Northwood by the way so its not too much of a treck to
> Ricky.
> >
> > Walter
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Yvan Seth
> > Sent: 01 December 2007 19:13
> > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Watford] PHP
> >
> > <quote who="walt">
> > > So now to learning the language. There must be oodles of
> > > documentation on the web. But I may be picking your brains later in my
> > > learning curve if thats ok.
> >
> > My PHP knowledge is rather rusty, been 4 years since I did much with it.
> > (I'm more of a C/C++ developer (who also does a lot of Perl/Python
> utility
> > scripting) and only has a peek at web development every once in a
> while.)
> > But it sounds like there are others on this list who can help, and the
> > online community is a virtually infinite resource!
> >
> > > BTW: I am atheist with the motto live and let live. So you have no
> > > worries on that front. I have read quite a lot about it all and
> > > although some of it is well over my head I figured PHP looks like my
> > > best bet to start with. Should I get to point of where I start seeing
> > > the advantages of the other technologies I will have no hesitation in
> > > using them.
> >
> > PHP is a good starting point, since it was designed for web development
> from
> > the start working with it has a pretty "seamless" quality.
> > Choosing between PHP/Perl/Python/Ruby/etc is more a matter if aesthetics
> > these days as they all have all the functionality you'd ever want,
> massive
> > communities built around them, and a handful of "frameworks" up their
> > sleeves. Like Neel said, probably best to stick with one to start with
> :)
> >
> > > I will need database access and if frameworks - django can do that I
> > > might well switch to that in a few weeks. I'll check it out.
> >
> > PHP can deal just fine with any database you'd care to use and there's a
> > heap of existing work to build on. Zend, as mentioned by Neel, is
> certainly
> > worth looking at.
> >
> > > Are you going to the meeting (6th December) next week?
> >
> > Not sure. I don't drive and have to come up from Ricky, the location
> seems
> > a little out of the way.
> >
> > Cheers
> > -Yvan
> >
> >
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From: "walt" <walt at helvatron.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
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Terrific! Thanks for that Steve.
Is there no proxy then for internet access? If there is I suppose you'll
know how to get through/past it.
My box has an Ethernet adapter but the Laptops would be better on wireless.
Anyway, thanks again, I'll just bring the box.
Walter
From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steven Acreman
Sent: 02 December 2007 14:16
To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
sequence.
Walt,
You could just bring along the box. We have spare monitors / keyboards /
mice / cables.
Internet access is available through a cable and wireless.
Thanks,
Steven Acreman
On 02/12/2007, Cliff Deamer <cliff.g3ndc at btinternet.com> wrote:
More than happy Walter, go for it.
I would also like to encourage others to bring along there problem
hardware.
Cliff
On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 10:32 +0000, walt wrote:
> I'd be glad to bring the pc into the next meeting which is 6th December @
> 7.30pm up on Leavesden Business Park.
>
> What do we need?
> Pc with working copy of Linux.
> Keyboard and mouse
> Monitor
> Cables
> The Patch about which this whole things revolves
> Various related disks and CDs/DVDs (just in case)
>
> I gather Internet Access is available through the LAN.
>
> If Cliff is happy with this 'Programme Item' I shall prepare the gear and
> bring it along next Thursday.
>
> Walter
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Neel Upadhyaya
> Sent: 01 December 2007 18:55
> To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> sequence.
>
> OK I think this may be the point where you bring your machine into the
next
> meeting, if this is not possible then I can give you instructions, but I
> feel that a kernel patch and recompile is something some of the other
> members may want to see.
> On 01/12/2007, walt < walt at helvatron.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Neel,
>
> Right, I have had a hunt around but I am not really sure what I am looking
> for. I looked up the kernel version of my current system which is
> opensuse10.3 2.6.22.12-0.1 but I just cant tell whether the stuff out
> there is right or not. I think I will go for a fresh kernel.
>
> Can I download the kernel source in its original state from openSUSE, then
> add the patch into it somewhere and recompile using suse10.2 which is
still
> running fine? I would need serious help though because, being a linux
> newbie, I am bound to come unstuck.
>
> Regards, Walter
>
> From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Neel Upadhyaya
> Sent: 30 November 2007 13:15
> To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> sequence.
>
> Yes you can add in hardware drivers at boot time, this is the job of udev
> and others. All hardware has a vendor id which can be queried from the
> device bus (have a loof as lspci and lsusb to see what i mean). When the
> kernel sees a device it aquires the vendor/device id pair and check to see
> if it has been compiled with an appropriate driver, if it fins one it
binds
> the device to the driver if it does not it consults a set of files to find
> the driver needed (/lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.*), the kernel then
loads
> the appropriate driver from the file system and binds to it.
>
> You can add in drivers yourself via modprobe.conf
>
> --
> MCSE is to computers as McDonalds Certified Chef is to fine cuisine.
> On 30/11/2007, walt <walt at helvatron.co.uk > wrote:
> I will do that, thanks.
>
> One question,I read somewhere that the latestlinux kernels can be
> assembled at boot time.I have neverfigured out how to that but I think
> it was in Redhat where some hardware drivers could be added as a script
and
> would then 'bound in' (or something) as the kernel loads.
>
> I'll have a look around and see what I can find.
>
> Walter
>
> From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Neel Upadhyaya
> Sent: 30 November 2007 12:25
> To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> sequence.
>
> It looks like a kernel patch which means you'd have to apply it to the
> kernel source.
>
> It might be worth hunting around to find out is the patch has been
included
> in any kernel versions, then you could find a package for that kernel or
> start from the already patched source.
>
> Have a quick hunt for a package first, and if you're unlucky then I could
> walk you through a kernel compilation.
>
> -N
>
> --
> MCSE is to computers as McDonalds Certified Chef is to fine cuisine.
> On 30/11/2007, walt <walt at helvatron.co.uk> wrote:
> Thanks Cliff,I'll check it out.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> [mailto: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk ] On Behalf Of Cliff Deamer
> Sent: 30 November 2007 11:57
> To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> sequence.
>
> Hi Walt,
> There is discussion of this at
> http://communities.vmware.com/thread/106121 and a suggested solution.
> Cliff
>
> On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 10:07 +0000, walt wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Further to my previous email,I now have an error message:
> >
> > Comreset failed (errorno 960 or 976)
> >
> > This is what takes ages, like 2 - 3 minutes, before the system starts
> > loading. Can anybody tell me what it means and what to do about it.
> >
> > Many thanks,Walter
> >
> >
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I tried to upgrade Suse 10.2 to 10.3 but that failed so I did a clean,
> fresh
> > install with a freshly partitioned harddisk.Suse displays the boot
> options
> > screen and then switches to the normal splash screen where you should be
> > able to press esc to get to text screen showing you what its doing.
> >
> > And this is the problem,its sits there for 2 minutes or more and the
> > keyboard won't respond.Then it finally starts the boot process at which
> > point I can press esc to see the progress. Once it starts it behaves
> > normally but I have to eliminate the long delay before it boots.
> >
> > Any ideas?I have already removed all peripherals especially usb devices
> > but to no avail.
> >
> > Walter
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:27:36 +0000
From: "Steven Acreman" <sacreman at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
sequence.
To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
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For the wired I'll allow the training subnet direct out. The wireless is
just business ADSL so completely unrestrictd (apart from a wep password).
On 02/12/2007, walt <walt at helvatron.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Terrific! Thanks for that Steve.
>
> Is there no proxy then for internet access? If there is I suppose you'll
> know how to get through/past it.
>
> My box has an Ethernet adapter but the Laptops would be better on
> wireless.
>
> Anyway, thanks again, I'll just bring the box.
>
> Walter
>
> From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steven Acreman
> Sent: 02 December 2007 14:16
> To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> sequence.
>
> Walt,
>
> You could just bring along the box. We have spare monitors / keyboards /
> mice / cables.
>
> Internet access is available through a cable and wireless.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steven Acreman
> On 02/12/2007, Cliff Deamer <cliff.g3ndc at btinternet.com> wrote:
> More than happy Walter, go for it.
> I would also like to encourage others to bring along there problem
> hardware.
> Cliff
> On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 10:32 +0000, walt wrote:
> > I'd be glad to bring the pc into the next meeting which is 6th December
> @
> > 7.30pm up on Leavesden Business Park.
> >
> > What do we need?
> > Pc with working copy of Linux.
> > Keyboard and mouse
> > Monitor
> > Cables
> > The Patch about which this whole things revolves
> > Various related disks and CDs/DVDs (just in case)
> >
> > I gather Internet Access is available through the LAN.
> >
> > If Cliff is happy with this 'Programme Item' I shall prepare the gear
> and
> > bring it along next Thursday.
> >
> > Walter
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Neel Upadhyaya
> > Sent: 01 December 2007 18:55
> > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> > sequence.
> >
> > OK I think this may be the point where you bring your machine into the
> next
> > meeting, if this is not possible then I can give you instructions, but I
> > feel that a kernel patch and recompile is something some of the other
> > members may want to see.
> > On 01/12/2007, walt < walt at helvatron.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi Neel,
> >
> > Right, I have had a hunt around but I am not really sure what I am
> looking
> > for.I looked up the kernel version of my current system which is
> > opensuse10.3 2.6.22.12-0.1 but I just cant tell whether the stuff out
> > there is right or not.I think I will go for a fresh kernel.
> >
> > Can I download the kernel source in its original state from openSUSE,
> then
>
> > add the patch into it somewhere and recompile using suse10.2 which is
> still
> > running fine?I would need serious help though because, being a linux
> > newbie,I am bound to come unstuck.
> >
> > Regards, Walter
> >
> > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Neel Upadhyaya
> > Sent: 30 November 2007 13:15
> > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> > sequence.
> >
> > Yes you can add in hardware drivers at boot time, this is the job of
> udev
> > and others. All hardware has a vendor id which can be queried from the
> > device bus (have a loof as lspci and lsusb to see what i mean). When the
> > kernel sees a device it aquires the vendor/device id pair and check to
> see
> > if it has been compiled with an appropriate driver, if it fins one it
> binds
> > the device to the driver if it does not it consults a set of files to
> find
>
> > the driver needed (/lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.*), the kernel then
> loads
> > the appropriate driver from the file system and binds to it.
> >
> > You can add in drivers yourself via modprobe.conf
> >
> > --
> > MCSE is to computers as McDonalds Certified Chef is to fine cuisine.
> > On 30/11/2007, walt <walt at helvatron.co.uk > wrote:
> > I will do that, thanks.
> >
> > One question,I read somewhere that the latestlinux kernels can be
> > assembled at boot time.I have neverfigured out how to that but I think
> > it was in Redhat where some hardware drivers could be added as a script
> and
> > would then 'bound in' (or something) as the kernel loads.
> >
> > I'll have a look around and see what I can find.
> >
> > Walter
> >
> > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Neel Upadhyaya
> > Sent: 30 November 2007 12:25
> > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> > sequence.
> >
> > It looks like a kernel patch which means you'd have to apply it to the
> > kernel source.
> >
> > It might be worth hunting around to find out is the patch has been
> included
> > in any kernel versions, then you could find a package for that kernel or
> > start from the already patched source.
> >
> > Have a quick hunt for a package first, and if you're unlucky then I
> could
> > walk you through a kernel compilation.
> >
> > -N
> >
> > --
> > MCSE is to computers as McDonalds Certified Chef is to fine cuisine.
> > On 30/11/2007, walt <walt at helvatron.co.uk> wrote:
> > Thanks Cliff,I'll check it out.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > [mailto: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk ] On Behalf Of Cliff Deamer
> > Sent: 30 November 2007 11:57
> > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> > sequence.
> >
> > Hi Walt,
> > There is discussion of this at
> > http://communities.vmware.com/thread/106121 and a suggested solution.
> > Cliff
> >
> > On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 10:07 +0000, walt wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Further to my previous email,I now have an error message:
> > >
> > > Comreset failed (errorno 960 or 976)
> > >
> > > This is what takes ages, like 2 - 3 minutes, before the system starts
> > > loading. Can anybody tell me what it means and what to do about it.
> > >
> > > Many thanks,Walter
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > ---
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I tried to upgrade Suse 10.2 to 10.3 but that failed so I did a clean,
> > fresh
> > > install with a freshly partitioned harddisk.Suse displays the boot
> > options
> > > screen and then switches to the normal splash screen where you should
> be
> > > able to press esc to get to text screen showing you what its doing.
> > >
> > > And this is the problem,its sits there for 2 minutes or more and the
> > > keyboard won't respond.Then it finally starts the boot process at
> which
> > > point I can press esc to see the progress. Once it starts it behaves
> > > normally but I have to eliminate the long delay before it boots.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?I have already removed all peripherals especially usb
> devices
> > > but to no avail.
> > >
> > > Walter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Watford mailing list
> > > Watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/watford
> >
> >
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> > Watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
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