[Watford] RE: Watford Digest, Vol 72, Issue 10
Cliff Deamer
cliff.g3ndc at btinternet.com
Mon Dec 3 12:35:04 GMT 2007
Always Welcome Kevin,
Hope you and yours have a Happy Christmas and we look forward to seeing
you in the New Year.
Cliff
On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 09:33 +0000, Kevin Brown wrote:
> My sincere apologies - the next meeting would have been my first and I
> looked forward to it. However, Christmas looms (and all that goes with it)
> so unfortunately so will not be able to make this month's mtg.
>
> I look forward to next, I would have enjoyed PHP which I use as hobbyist.
>
> Happy Christmas
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
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> 1. Re: PHP (Steven Acreman)
> 2. RE: Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot sequence.
> (walt)
> 3. Re: Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot sequence.
> (Steven Acreman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:19:55 +0000
> From: "Steven Acreman" <sacreman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Watford] PHP
> To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
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> All,
>
> My mobile number is 07738 198 788. Feel free to give me a call if you need
> instructions getting to Leavesden Park, have trouble with the carpark
> barriers and of course for me to let you into the building.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steven Acreman
>
> On 02/12/2007, walt <walt at helvatron.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Will do then. Mind you, Neel will have to be there and do his stuff
> > because
> > this is well beyond my current level of knowledge. But, hopefully, not
> > for
> > much longer.
> >
> > Did somebody say they were going to give us a mobile number in case we
> > have
> > trouble finding the place in Leavesden Park.
> >
> > Walter
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Cliff Deamer
> > Sent: 02 December 2007 12:22
> > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: RE: [Watford] PHP
> >
> > Another good input Walter, I am sure we would all like to get Yvan
> > involved in the discussion.
> > cheers Cliff
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 10:41 +0000, walt wrote:
> > > Many thanks again Yvan. If you fancy an outing to the nightlife of
> > Leavesden
> > > I can offer you a lift in my 'Ford Fiesta' :-) I grant you it isn't
> > easy
> > to
> > > get to but depending on where you live in Ricky, we can take the M25 to
> > > Huntonbridge and its just up the road from there.
> > >
> > > I live near Northwood by the way so its not too much of a treck to
> > Ricky.
> > >
> > > Walter
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Yvan Seth
> > > Sent: 01 December 2007 19:13
> > > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [Watford] PHP
> > >
> > > <quote who="walt">
> > > > So now to learning the language. There must be oodles of
> > > > documentation on the web. But I may be picking your brains later in my
> > > > learning curve if thats ok.
> > >
> > > My PHP knowledge is rather rusty, been 4 years since I did much with it.
> > > (I'm more of a C/C++ developer (who also does a lot of Perl/Python
> > utility
> > > scripting) and only has a peek at web development every once in a
> > while.)
> > > But it sounds like there are others on this list who can help, and the
> > > online community is a virtually infinite resource!
> > >
> > > > BTW: I am atheist with the motto live and let live. So you have no
> > > > worries on that front. I have read quite a lot about it all and
> > > > although some of it is well over my head I figured PHP looks like my
> > > > best bet to start with. Should I get to point of where I start seeing
> > > > the advantages of the other technologies I will have no hesitation in
> > > > using them.
> > >
> > > PHP is a good starting point, since it was designed for web development
> > from
> > > the start working with it has a pretty "seamless" quality.
> > > Choosing between PHP/Perl/Python/Ruby/etc is more a matter if aesthetics
> > > these days as they all have all the functionality you'd ever want,
> > massive
> > > communities built around them, and a handful of "frameworks" up their
> > > sleeves. Like Neel said, probably best to stick with one to start with
> > :)
> > >
> > > > I will need database access and if frameworks - django can do that I
> > > > might well switch to that in a few weeks. I'll check it out.
> > >
> > > PHP can deal just fine with any database you'd care to use and there's a
> > > heap of existing work to build on. Zend, as mentioned by Neel, is
> > certainly
> > > worth looking at.
> > >
> > > > Are you going to the meeting (6th December) next week?
> > >
> > > Not sure. I don't drive and have to come up from Ricky, the location
> > seems
> > > a little out of the way.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > -Yvan
> > >
> > >
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> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:22:33 -0000
> From: "walt" <walt at helvatron.co.uk>
> Subject: RE: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> sequence.
> To: <watford at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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> Terrific! Thanks for that Steve.
>
> Is there no proxy then for internet access? If there is I suppose you'll
> know how to get through/past it.
>
> My box has an Ethernet adapter but the Laptops would be better on wireless.
>
> Anyway, thanks again, I'll just bring the box.
>
> Walter
>
> From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steven Acreman
> Sent: 02 December 2007 14:16
> To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> sequence.
>
> Walt,
>
> You could just bring along the box. We have spare monitors / keyboards /
> mice / cables.
>
> Internet access is available through a cable and wireless.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steven Acreman
> On 02/12/2007, Cliff Deamer <cliff.g3ndc at btinternet.com> wrote:
> More than happy Walter, go for it.
> I would also like to encourage others to bring along there problem
> hardware.
> Cliff
> On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 10:32 +0000, walt wrote:
> > I'd be glad to bring the pc into the next meeting which is 6th December @
> > 7.30pm up on Leavesden Business Park.
> >
> > What do we need?
> > Pc with working copy of Linux.
> > Keyboard and mouse
> > Monitor
> > Cables
> > The Patch about which this whole things revolves
> > Various related disks and CDs/DVDs (just in case)
> >
> > I gather Internet Access is available through the LAN.
> >
> > If Cliff is happy with this 'Programme Item' I shall prepare the gear and
> > bring it along next Thursday.
> >
> > Walter
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Neel Upadhyaya
> > Sent: 01 December 2007 18:55
> > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> > sequence.
> >
> > OK I think this may be the point where you bring your machine into the
> next
> > meeting, if this is not possible then I can give you instructions, but I
> > feel that a kernel patch and recompile is something some of the other
> > members may want to see.
> > On 01/12/2007, walt < walt at helvatron.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi Neel,
> >
> > Right, I have had a hunt around but I am not really sure what I am looking
> > for. I looked up the kernel version of my current system which is
> > opensuse10.3 2.6.22.12-0.1 but I just cant tell whether the stuff out
> > there is right or not. I think I will go for a fresh kernel.
> >
> > Can I download the kernel source in its original state from openSUSE, then
>
> > add the patch into it somewhere and recompile using suse10.2 which is
> still
> > running fine? I would need serious help though because, being a linux
> > newbie, I am bound to come unstuck.
> >
> > Regards, Walter
> >
> > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Neel Upadhyaya
> > Sent: 30 November 2007 13:15
> > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> > sequence.
> >
> > Yes you can add in hardware drivers at boot time, this is the job of udev
> > and others. All hardware has a vendor id which can be queried from the
> > device bus (have a loof as lspci and lsusb to see what i mean). When the
> > kernel sees a device it aquires the vendor/device id pair and check to see
> > if it has been compiled with an appropriate driver, if it fins one it
> binds
> > the device to the driver if it does not it consults a set of files to find
>
> > the driver needed (/lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.*), the kernel then
> loads
> > the appropriate driver from the file system and binds to it.
> >
> > You can add in drivers yourself via modprobe.conf
> >
> > --
> > MCSE is to computers as McDonalds Certified Chef is to fine cuisine.
> > On 30/11/2007, walt <walt at helvatron.co.uk > wrote:
> > I will do that, thanks.
> >
> > One question,I read somewhere that the latestlinux kernels can be
> > assembled at boot time.I have neverfigured out how to that but I think
> > it was in Redhat where some hardware drivers could be added as a script
> and
> > would then 'bound in' (or something) as the kernel loads.
> >
> > I'll have a look around and see what I can find.
> >
> > Walter
> >
> > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Neel Upadhyaya
> > Sent: 30 November 2007 12:25
> > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> > sequence.
> >
> > It looks like a kernel patch which means you'd have to apply it to the
> > kernel source.
> >
> > It might be worth hunting around to find out is the patch has been
> included
> > in any kernel versions, then you could find a package for that kernel or
> > start from the already patched source.
> >
> > Have a quick hunt for a package first, and if you're unlucky then I could
> > walk you through a kernel compilation.
> >
> > -N
> >
> > --
> > MCSE is to computers as McDonalds Certified Chef is to fine cuisine.
> > On 30/11/2007, walt <walt at helvatron.co.uk> wrote:
> > Thanks Cliff,I'll check it out.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > [mailto: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk ] On Behalf Of Cliff Deamer
> > Sent: 30 November 2007 11:57
> > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> > sequence.
> >
> > Hi Walt,
> > There is discussion of this at
> > http://communities.vmware.com/thread/106121 and a suggested solution.
> > Cliff
> >
> > On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 10:07 +0000, walt wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Further to my previous email,I now have an error message:
> > >
> > > Comreset failed (errorno 960 or 976)
> > >
> > > This is what takes ages, like 2 - 3 minutes, before the system starts
> > > loading. Can anybody tell me what it means and what to do about it.
> > >
> > > Many thanks,Walter
> > >
> > >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > ---
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I tried to upgrade Suse 10.2 to 10.3 but that failed so I did a clean,
> > fresh
> > > install with a freshly partitioned harddisk.Suse displays the boot
> > options
> > > screen and then switches to the normal splash screen where you should be
> > > able to press esc to get to text screen showing you what its doing.
> > >
> > > And this is the problem,its sits there for 2 minutes or more and the
> > > keyboard won't respond.Then it finally starts the boot process at which
> > > point I can press esc to see the progress. Once it starts it behaves
> > > normally but I have to eliminate the long delay before it boots.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?I have already removed all peripherals especially usb devices
> > > but to no avail.
> > >
> > > Walter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/watford
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:27:36 +0000
> From: "Steven Acreman" <sacreman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> sequence.
> To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Message-ID:
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> For the wired I'll allow the training subnet direct out. The wireless is
> just business ADSL so completely unrestrictd (apart from a wep password).
>
> On 02/12/2007, walt <walt at helvatron.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Terrific! Thanks for that Steve.
> >
> > Is there no proxy then for internet access? If there is I suppose you'll
> > know how to get through/past it.
> >
> > My box has an Ethernet adapter but the Laptops would be better on
> > wireless.
> >
> > Anyway, thanks again, I'll just bring the box.
> >
> > Walter
> >
> > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steven Acreman
> > Sent: 02 December 2007 14:16
> > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> > sequence.
> >
> > Walt,
> >
> > You could just bring along the box. We have spare monitors / keyboards /
> > mice / cables.
> >
> > Internet access is available through a cable and wireless.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steven Acreman
> > On 02/12/2007, Cliff Deamer <cliff.g3ndc at btinternet.com> wrote:
> > More than happy Walter, go for it.
> > I would also like to encourage others to bring along there problem
> > hardware.
> > Cliff
> > On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 10:32 +0000, walt wrote:
> > > I'd be glad to bring the pc into the next meeting which is 6th December
> > @
> > > 7.30pm up on Leavesden Business Park.
> > >
> > > What do we need?
> > > Pc with working copy of Linux.
> > > Keyboard and mouse
> > > Monitor
> > > Cables
> > > The Patch about which this whole things revolves
> > > Various related disks and CDs/DVDs (just in case)
> > >
> > > I gather Internet Access is available through the LAN.
> > >
> > > If Cliff is happy with this 'Programme Item' I shall prepare the gear
> > and
> > > bring it along next Thursday.
> > >
> > > Walter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Neel Upadhyaya
> > > Sent: 01 December 2007 18:55
> > > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> > > sequence.
> > >
> > > OK I think this may be the point where you bring your machine into the
> > next
> > > meeting, if this is not possible then I can give you instructions, but I
> > > feel that a kernel patch and recompile is something some of the other
> > > members may want to see.
> > > On 01/12/2007, walt < walt at helvatron.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Hi Neel,
> > >
> > > Right, I have had a hunt around but I am not really sure what I am
> > looking
> > > for.I looked up the kernel version of my current system which is
> > > opensuse10.3 2.6.22.12-0.1 but I just cant tell whether the stuff out
> > > there is right or not.I think I will go for a fresh kernel.
> > >
> > > Can I download the kernel source in its original state from openSUSE,
> > then
> >
> > > add the patch into it somewhere and recompile using suse10.2 which is
> > still
> > > running fine?I would need serious help though because, being a linux
> > > newbie,I am bound to come unstuck.
> > >
> > > Regards, Walter
> > >
> > > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Neel Upadhyaya
> > > Sent: 30 November 2007 13:15
> > > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> > > sequence.
> > >
> > > Yes you can add in hardware drivers at boot time, this is the job of
> > udev
> > > and others. All hardware has a vendor id which can be queried from the
> > > device bus (have a loof as lspci and lsusb to see what i mean). When the
> > > kernel sees a device it aquires the vendor/device id pair and check to
> > see
> > > if it has been compiled with an appropriate driver, if it fins one it
> > binds
> > > the device to the driver if it does not it consults a set of files to
> > find
> >
> > > the driver needed (/lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.*), the kernel then
> > loads
> > > the appropriate driver from the file system and binds to it.
> > >
> > > You can add in drivers yourself via modprobe.conf
> > >
> > > --
> > > MCSE is to computers as McDonalds Certified Chef is to fine cuisine.
> > > On 30/11/2007, walt <walt at helvatron.co.uk > wrote:
> > > I will do that, thanks.
> > >
> > > One question,I read somewhere that the latestlinux kernels can be
> > > assembled at boot time.I have neverfigured out how to that but I think
> > > it was in Redhat where some hardware drivers could be added as a script
> > and
> > > would then 'bound in' (or something) as the kernel loads.
> > >
> > > I'll have a look around and see what I can find.
> > >
> > > Walter
> > >
> > > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > [mailto:watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Neel Upadhyaya
> > > Sent: 30 November 2007 12:25
> > > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> > > sequence.
> > >
> > > It looks like a kernel patch which means you'd have to apply it to the
> > > kernel source.
> > >
> > > It might be worth hunting around to find out is the patch has been
> > included
> > > in any kernel versions, then you could find a package for that kernel or
> > > start from the already patched source.
> > >
> > > Have a quick hunt for a package first, and if you're unlucky then I
> > could
> > > walk you through a kernel compilation.
> > >
> > > -N
> > >
> > > --
> > > MCSE is to computers as McDonalds Certified Chef is to fine cuisine.
> > > On 30/11/2007, walt <walt at helvatron.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Thanks Cliff,I'll check it out.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > [mailto: watford-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk ] On Behalf Of Cliff Deamer
> > > Sent: 30 November 2007 11:57
> > > To: watford at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [Watford] Suse 10.3 hangs for 2 minutes at start of boot
> > > sequence.
> > >
> > > Hi Walt,
> > > There is discussion of this at
> > > http://communities.vmware.com/thread/106121 and a suggested solution.
> > > Cliff
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 10:07 +0000, walt wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Further to my previous email,I now have an error message:
> > > >
> > > > Comreset failed (errorno 960 or 976)
> > > >
> > > > This is what takes ages, like 2 - 3 minutes, before the system starts
> > > > loading. Can anybody tell me what it means and what to do about it.
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks,Walter
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > > > ---
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I tried to upgrade Suse 10.2 to 10.3 but that failed so I did a clean,
> > > fresh
> > > > install with a freshly partitioned harddisk.Suse displays the boot
> > > options
> > > > screen and then switches to the normal splash screen where you should
> > be
> > > > able to press esc to get to text screen showing you what its doing.
> > > >
> > > > And this is the problem,its sits there for 2 minutes or more and the
> > > > keyboard won't respond.Then it finally starts the boot process at
> > which
> > > > point I can press esc to see the progress. Once it starts it behaves
> > > > normally but I have to eliminate the long delay before it boots.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?I have already removed all peripherals especially usb
> > devices
> > > > but to no avail.
> > > >
> > > > Walter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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