[Wolves] I'm back!

Tue Aug 5 12:53:01 2003

Fizz,

You're putting words and opinions in my mouth which aren't mine.  I
agree with you that there are times when the law needs to be challenged
non-compliance.  But this is theft, probably of calls from some other
bill payer's account - that or from BT in which case we all pay
indirectly for the actions of people who do this.  Hence no more morally
justifiable than a pickpocket.  Nor do I agree with you that hacking
into a computer is somehow not that serious.  If I forget to lock my
front door it still doesn't give you the right to wander in and look at
whatever you want inside my house.  There is no moral ambiguity there.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: fizzy [mailto:fizzyorguk@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: 05 August 2003 12:44
To: wolves@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: RE: [Wolves] I'm back!

You seem to be giving the view of "that's the law,
therefore it's right" whereas i would disagree with
that.  I would support anyone who broke the RIP act,
because i think it's a wrong law.  I would not be
saying, "this is the law, therefore breaking it makes
you a bad person".  The law can be an indication of
the 'right path' however i don't think it is 100%
correct all the time. =20

I would say that the dude is lame, he was trying to
get free phone calls, and he got caught.  He deserves
to be laughed at.  Does he deserve us to give him a
moral patronising talk about how what he did was wrong
because it's illegal? Do you really think he cares
that he stole 0.00001p worth of electricity from a
multi billion pound corporation? I would imagine he
could care less.

I think the situation would be the same if he hacked a
redhat 6.2 box and got caught.  Yes, he would be a
lame script kiddie that needs laughing at, no, he
wouldn't need talking to in a moral tone about the
righteousness of private property.

fizz

 --- Chris Owen <chris.owen@wmro.org> wrote: > Nor can
I agree with you on this one fizz.  Alex was
> effectively asking
> for us to condone his criminal activity.  I'm not
> going to condone this
> any more than I would condone shoplifting or spray
> painting graffiti.
> If you think that's authoritarian, dictatorial and
> patronising, fine,
> your view.  The guy is not lame because he got
> caught, the guy is lame
> because he broke the law and still wants us to pat
> him on the back for
> it.
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> Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: fizzy [mailto:fizzyorguk@yahoo.com]=20
> Sent: 05 August 2003 10:09
> To: wolves@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: RE: [Wolves] I'm back!
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> I agree with Bambam as far as the guy's as lame as
> fuck, however i can't agree with your authoritarian,
> dictatorial and patronising response, sunshine.
>=20
> fizz
> --- Chris Owen <chris.owen@wmro.org> wrote: >=20
> >=20
> > I'm with you on this one bambam.  I have no idea
> > what beige boxing is,
> > and I don't want to, but if what was being done
> > ended up with a police
> > warning for a juvenile, his parents acted exactly
> as
> > mine would have
> > done, and exactly as I would do.  You got what you
> > deserved sunshine -
> > learn your lesson.
> >=20
> > Chris
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bambam@pineapple.shacknet.nu
> > [mailto:bambam@pineapple.shacknet.nu]
> >=20
> > Sent: 05 August 2003 00:44
> > To: wolves@mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Wolves] I'm back!
> >=20
> > On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Alex Thomas wrote:
> >=20
> > > hello all
> > > it is alex here (goththing) jus got my internet
> > back after my parent
> > taking
> > > it all away all jus because i got a police
> warning
> > about beige boxing
> > at BT
> > > CAB boxes. stupid of me getting caught, jus glad
> > was only a warning.
> > and so
> >=20
> > I've never met you and already I don't want to.
> >=20
> > > for the past 11 months or so no with no internet
> > :(
> >=20
> > Sounds like you deserved it!
> >=20
> > > so how are you all?? well i hope.
> > > atleast i am not the legal age for the pub and
> > wont get told to "go
> > away" by
> > > those door men :)
> > > anyways g2g
> > >
> > > alex..
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > >
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