[Wolves] I'm back!

fizzy wolves at mailman.lug.org.uk
Tue Aug 5 13:19:00 2003


Is stealing from BT wrong? I would say that's a
question for ones own conscience.  As reported:

"BT have announced 1st Quarter pre tax profits are up
by 56%. Which works out at 502 million for the first
3 month of the financial year alone"

The cost of the electricity is sub 1p, is stealing
this electricity from this company morally wrong? You
may say yes, personally i would say no. 

You may not want someone entering your house if you
leave the door open, would you want someone to point
out that door has been left open?

The question of the morals of hacking is long and
fairly dull, but dealt with rather well by our very
own Wolverhampton University at:

http://www.scit.wlv.ac.uk/~in7504/hacking.htm

Personally i would say that yes, breaking into
someone's home machine and intruding on there privacy
is pretty pointless, but i wouldn't say that breaking
into a corporations business machines was morally
wrong, depending on your reasoning for doing so... 

Either way I would question whether this is really a
matter for the legal system to deal with...

fizz

 --- Chris Owen <chris.owen@wmro.org> wrote: > Fizz,
> 
> You're putting words and opinions in my mouth which
> aren't mine.  I
> agree with you that there are times when the law
> needs to be challenged
> non-compliance.  But this is theft, probably of
> calls from some other
> bill payer's account - that or from BT in which case
> we all pay
> indirectly for the actions of people who do this. 
> Hence no more morally
> justifiable than a pickpocket.  Nor do I agree with
> you that hacking
> into a computer is somehow not that serious.  If I
> forget to lock my
> front door it still doesn't give you the right to
> wander in and look at
> whatever you want inside my house.  There is no
> moral ambiguity there.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fizzy [mailto:fizzyorguk@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: 05 August 2003 12:44
> To: wolves@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: RE: [Wolves] I'm back!
> 
> You seem to be giving the view of "that's the law,
> therefore it's right" whereas i would disagree with
> that.  I would support anyone who broke the RIP act,
> because i think it's a wrong law.  I would not be
> saying, "this is the law, therefore breaking it
> makes
> you a bad person".  The law can be an indication of
> the 'right path' however i don't think it is 100%
> correct all the time.  
> 
> I would say that the dude is lame, he was trying to
> get free phone calls, and he got caught.  He
> deserves
> to be laughed at.  Does he deserve us to give him a
> moral patronising talk about how what he did was
> wrong
> because it's illegal? Do you really think he cares
> that he stole 0.00001p worth of electricity from a
> multi billion pound corporation? I would imagine he
> could care less.
> 
> I think the situation would be the same if he hacked
> a
> redhat 6.2 box and got caught.  Yes, he would be a
> lame script kiddie that needs laughing at, no, he
> wouldn't need talking to in a moral tone about the
> righteousness of private property.
> 
> fizz
> 
>  --- Chris Owen <chris.owen@wmro.org> wrote: > Nor
> can
> I agree with you on this one fizz.  Alex was
> > effectively asking
> > for us to condone his criminal activity.  I'm not
> > going to condone this
> > any more than I would condone shoplifting or spray
> > painting graffiti.
> > If you think that's authoritarian, dictatorial and
> > patronising, fine,
> > your view.  The guy is not lame because he got
> > caught, the guy is lame
> > because he broke the law and still wants us to pat
> > him on the back for
> > it.
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fizzy [mailto:fizzyorguk@yahoo.com] 
> > Sent: 05 August 2003 10:09
> > To: wolves@mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: RE: [Wolves] I'm back!
> > 
> > I agree with Bambam as far as the guy's as lame as
> > fuck, however i can't agree with your
> authoritarian,
> > dictatorial and patronising response, sunshine.
> > 
> > fizz
> > --- Chris Owen <chris.owen@wmro.org> wrote: > 
> > > 
> > > I'm with you on this one bambam.  I have no idea
> > > what beige boxing is,
> > > and I don't want to, but if what was being done
> > > ended up with a police
> > > warning for a juvenile, his parents acted
> exactly
> > as
> > > mine would have
> > > done, and exactly as I would do.  You got what
> you
> > > deserved sunshine -
> > > learn your lesson.
> > > 
> > > Chris
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bambam@pineapple.shacknet.nu
> > > [mailto:bambam@pineapple.shacknet.nu]
> > > 
> > > Sent: 05 August 2003 00:44
> > > To: wolves@mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [Wolves] I'm back!
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Alex Thomas wrote:
> > > 
> > > > hello all
> > > > it is alex here (goththing) jus got my
> internet
> > > back after my parent
> > > taking
> > > > it all away all jus because i got a police
> > warning
> > > about beige boxing
> > > at BT
> > > > CAB boxes. stupid of me getting caught, jus
> glad
> > > was only a warning.
> > > and so
> > > 
> > > I've never met you and already I don't want to.
> > > 
> > > > for the past 11 months or so no with no
> internet
> > > :(
> > > 
> > > Sounds like you deserved it!
> > > 
> > > > so how are you all?? well i hope.
> > > > atleast i am not the legal age for the pub and
> > > wont get told to "go
> > > away" by
> > > > those door men :)
> > > > anyways g2g
> > > >
> > > > alex..
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > to suit you.
> > > > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess
> > > >
> > > 
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