[Wolves] Linux Display
wayne at machx.co.uk
Fri Mar 4 10:17:14 GMT 2005
Peter Cannon wrote:
>Not to give any secrets away getting email addresses is dead easy.
>Kelly's Directory is the best although not cheap £300 odd you get a disk that
>lets you export 5000 records there is a way to get the lot but I'm not
>Thomson Local is second but very poor on email addresses there are others such
>as G-Tech but they are just copy's of Thomson.
>Kelly's give you the golden nugget in respect that they have websites and
>email addresses in the records.
I used to have an email grabber (well I probably still have it, but god
knows which pc its on).
Point this at a website and it returns every email address on any page
on the site.
I used to point it at sites containing classified ads placed by the sort
of people who would buy my stuff and let them go to work,
could generate 200-300 email addresses in five mins. Very effective.
>Now before we all jump on the Spam crusade we need to take a step back and
>think about it like sensible adults. I agree there is loads of Spam out there
>but its not as simple as the knee jerk reaction I see on a daily basis, its
>dead easy to say "Your spamming me you bast$£%@d".
>I'm not defending Spamming!
>One mans Spam is another mans advertising I had a guy ring Monday to say your
>spamming me then in the next breath "Having said that I'm interested in the
>Laptop your offering" he then went on to buy it. Hes not the first or the
>last, so its a tough call is it spamming or is it advertising? I don't see
>anyone phoning Central Television and complaining about the adverts and they
>are just the same I don't want to see 'Buy this jumbo pack of sanitary
>towels' so am I being spammed by the TV? I think I am.
>Anyway getting back to the point most business victims of spam have themselves
>to blame they stick their details in Kelly's Directory, Thomsons Local,
>Yellow Pages, Websites in fact all over the place in the hope of 'getting a
>sale' then complain when someone tries to sell to them by joining the spam
>crusade and crying "I'm being spammed Mr BT".
>Simple solution you don't want junk mail? don't advertise your address!
I think the biggest perceived critiscisms of spamming are two fold:
Most spam is drug/porn/scam related, if these were negated then the
volume of email potential received by a target would be hugely reduced,
and contain potentially useful products. Hardly anyone complains about
junk mail coming thru the door, you just bin it - the hysteria might be
a bit greater if every envelope contained porn mags and drug catalogues.
Email has a much more effective blocking system if used correctly, you
CAN choose to block it - my five domains would receive probably 1000
spams a day if I didn't have Exim linked to SORBS , blacklisting 99.9%
of the porn/drug spammers.
The other thing about spam is that there are still a lot of old time
users who beleive that the internet is supposed to be a non-commercial
encyclopedia and that advertising is as welcome as television at a
library. If these people thought about it for two mins they would
realise that the internet would not exist if it wasn't for the
commercial content, nobody provides servers and lines if they are not
making money. People will realise that the internet is more like Sky
Tv now, plenty of content paid for by adverts in one shape or form.
Anyway, I spam (but I can handle it - Eddie Izzard), I sent 1200
messages yesterday, received 100 bounce due to bad addresses, two
bounces due to spam controls, nobody emailed to be taken off, three
people used the 'remove me' link on the email, two people emailed to say
they had pressed 'remove' by mistake and wanted to be put back on and
NOBODY emailed to say we were a bunch of spammers!
On a sidenote, I used to beleive that if an email address was
succesfully blocked or disused for a long time, then eventually it would
be cleansed from spamlists.
Not so, I used a test email address ONCE five years ago and it
immediately got picked up by spammers, I then cancelled the user
account and all mail would have bounced. I then stopped accepting mail
for that domain. So spammers would have had five years of
Anyway, looking at my logs for the now active domain, I still see at
least five attempts per day to send to that adddress (and its not a name
or a word, so these arn't
Looks like my lasting imprint on history will be a bunch of made up
email addresses (still being used to sell porn in 2476)!
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