[Wolves] Now I know what Vista hell is!!!!

[ph004h7245 at blueyonder.co.uk]

Yes I must agree on some points, I now use Vista a lot.  It can be an
absolute pain to connect to a Samba share sometimes (your best bet is to
upgrade to Samba 3).

I think the key here is, don't actually go out and buy it, it's still very
expensive, and yes it is a nightmare to get working with hardware, but if
it comes installed on a new machine you buy it's not so bad.  And I do
like the new GUI and the Vista Gadgets......but I don't hate or love
microsoft.

> I hate the idea of starting an OS flame war, but I feel the need to put
> a few things straight here.
>
> DISCLAIMER:
> I don't love microsoft, neither do I love linux or any of the
> incarnations of the Mac OS. Furthermore, this is not going to be a rant
> - I've no strong feelings on this, but I do have clear opinions. If
> anyone wants to take my comments out of context blow my opinions out of
> proportion or start commenting on my grammar, spelling, parentage,
> netiquette, dress sense or choice of company, go and find a girl or
> boyfriend and leave me alone.
>
> Now,  to begin:
> Kevanf1 wrote:
>> If anybody is thinking of using Windows Vista in any shape or form,
>> DON'T DO IT!!!!  I have just spent about 2 hours trying to get my
>> daughter's laptop to install bother her Creative Zen mp3 player and
>> her Samsung phone.  The hoops I would have to go through to get the
>> mp3 player working are stupid.
> If I can't get my pet elephant into a mini classic, I do not assume that
> the mini classic is at fault. I should have either brought a vehicle
> that can carry an elephant, or brought a different pet.
>>   First go into an XP computer and
>> uninstall Media Player 11.  Then install Media Player 10 and upgrade
>> the firmware on the mp3 player.  Then put Media Player 11 back and
>> hook up the mp3 player to Vista.....  The phone just doesn't want to
>> know at all...  Yet people say Linux is bad with hardware????
>>
> How many wireless cards have I had to extract a cab file on a windows
> machine to get some arcane system file, then go back onto linux and
> download a firmare patch or ndis wrapper class or peform an obscure
> tweak to a file in linux that might be in one of fifteen different
> places depending what type of linux I'm using, and depending on what
> version of what type of linux I'm using? Too many to count, and I can
> count very high indeed (possibly even higher than 9).
>> Vista is absolute shite!!!
> Compared to XP, on a new machine (with a following wind and a slight
> downhill slope),  I think vista is much better. The gui design is
> improved with integrated searching and some switch-offable eye-candy.
> There is user access control, which is activated as standard and stops
> people who don't know any better from doing stupid things. Vista premium
> has builtin ghost-like backup facilities, and actually goes of and
> installs drivers from a database of working drivers. Webcams are a good
> example here. There is a command called ROBOCOPY in the command prompt,
> which is more or less rsync. Vista detects and installs on most raid
> arrays out of the box, without needing driver disks. You can shrink
> disks dynamically from the control panel, choose to install xp after
> vista and have vista sort out the bootloader with easyBCD. It even has
> anitspyware built in, and a media centre that recognises remote controls
> automagically. All of this makes it far better than XP in my book. The
> only painful thing I've found is that you can't access the mouse and
> keyboard on session 0, which is where all the services run. This makes
> it hard getting VNC to run properly. And yes, you do need a reasonably
> powerful machine to run vista, just like you need a reasonably powerful
> machine to run modern linux or OSX.
>> The best of it?  Both will work nicely with my Kubuntu PC in my
>> workshop.  I hope Microsoft shrivels up and dies because of their
>> arrogance in foisting Vista onto the world.  After this I truly
>> believe that Linux deserves to be the number 1 OS (I did anyway but
>> you know what I mean)
> I could just easily use the statement "Ubuntu is Shite, The hoops I
> would have to go through to get a webcam working are stupid"
>
> Creative make overpriced pap and gadgetry that doesn't work properly
> under any OS, IMHO.
>
> As far as 'foisting' vista goes, I agree to some extent - but would you
> be complaining if all new computers came with Kubuntu or SuSE installed
> as standard - this would constitute the same level of foistage (see, I
> invented a new word: foistage - use it if you like it)
>
> As far as vista in the workplace, you'll typically find that there is a
> downgrade codicil associated with the  vista licence, which will allow
> you to install xp instead of vista if you so desire.
>
> To conclude, I don't think there will ever be a universal #1 OS - I have
> several machines, some are on OSX, some are XP or Vista, some are linux.
> I choose the OS to suit the job I want the computer to do.
>
> As an example, I have an old Tosh 7020CT laptop, which I wanted to use
> for ssh access and text editing. I tried Xubuntu, Puppy, Debian, Fedora
> and RH7 - all of them took around 2-3 minutes to get me into a prompt
> (let alone X), and none of them detected my wireless. Then I tried
> windows 95 OSR2. I was inside a windowed environment inside 1 minute
> from turn-on, and I had wireless running in another 5 minutes, With the
> addition of abbyword, puttly, filezilla and winscp, I had a george
> foreman style lean, mean network grillin machine. So what if it doesn't
> have a bona-fide bash prompt? do I care who wrote the os? No.... because
> it does what I want it to. I'd no more consider buying a games machine
> with linux on than I would consider buying a microsoft web and mail
> server.
>
> Spline
>
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