[dundee] Change of Distro - light blue touchpaper and retire

[Lee Hughes]

well this thread is huge, so people must have something to say on this.

Me personally, for servers, I'd install openvz, it's awesome (thanks Gordon)...

then you can run everything , and all o/s at the same time!!!! :-)

need a squid server, just make one...

need a mail server, just make one...

one service..one machine... you don't need package management if all you have
is a kernel and a network 'service'. Job done, no more software conflicts?

need to upgrade, just copy the / to another directory, and boot up. upgrade and test.
working? no love lost.

performance? I get better performance with openvz then I do with a stock kernel!!!

I don't know why, but I do.

Finally use a network raid device (drdb) and you can get transparent mirroring!!!

I might even do a talk on this soon, either that or gpxe/aoe stuff!!!!

Cheers,
Lee

--- On Wed, 25/2/09, Robert Ladyman <it at file-away.co.uk> wrote:
From: Robert Ladyman <it at file-away.co.uk>
Subject: [dundee] Change of Distro - light blue touchpaper and retire
To: dundee at lists.lug.org.uk
Date: Wednesday, 25 February, 2009, 11:53 AM

I think I have finally had enough of OpenSuse, discouraged by things like 
refusing to fix Network manager's conflict with ppp and marking it as a 
"WONTFIX" [fx offstage: sounds of hysterical laughter]; removal of
Webmin, 
Realplayer, kjobviewer; smashing /etc/* config files and/or magically 
generating them from some gui tool without telling you where THAT tool has its 
config files [fx offstage: sounds of crying, smashing of keyboard]; making it 
hard to derive a new distro; ignoring simple user requests to fix minor bugs; 
bizarre problems with HAL (also known as the Hardware Obstruction Layer) and 
putting the "F" into "fdi"; not even having the GIMP in the
live-cd...grrr.

As I'm too lazy^H^H^H busy to do any research for myself (and seem to be a
bit 
busy writing some gubbins about Squid for a bunch of sandal-wearing 
linuxistas) and it's been a bad day AND the gout is playing up again 
[ibuprofen and cocodamil for lunch, my favourite] perhaps some serious and 
ideally, not-so-serious suggestions from you all would help.

My URS for a new distro is:-

- Must not commit any of the above distro-crimes;
- Must be KDE-friendly (Gnome is gnot for me);
- Must not be Ubuntu-derived (so kiss my shiny plastic mouse, Azmodie et al);
- Must have reasonably good package management (i.e. not like Linux From 
Scratch*)...
- ...and that really means probably NOT rpm/hell package management;
- Should be able to reasonably easily derive new distros / modified distros 
from it;
- Should allow for installation of so-called 'restricted' or
patent-encumbered 
software.
- Ideally, would be easily usable by she-who-must-be-obeyed / DFU's as
well;
Should be upgradable in-place**;

Does this just leave Slackware and Gentoo? 
TayLix? TheLinuxSociety.iso? OldGitix? Suggestions, serious or otherwise 
welcome (only physically possible ones from you *buntu users, please).

[Sits back, sips coffee, awaits flames]


* For those who don't know, LFS has the ultimate techie package management 
solution. It hasn't got one.
** Yes, I too have suffered from the Mandrake/riva/OpenSuse "is this an 
upgrade, if so abandon all hope of it working" installation check-box
which 
basically results in having to install the system twice. Tra la la.
-- 

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