[SLUG] OT: Browse the net super quick..

[Ian Eade]

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[mailto:scarborough-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Stephen
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Sent: 19 April 2005 10:11
To: Scarborough Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: Browse the net super quick..

Ian Eade wrote:

>It also seems ironic that it appears that the website is written using
>java servlet pages, they have done for web speed what sloth's have done
>for the 100m world record.
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Easy on the napalm Mr Eade.

I won't be pedantic and pick you up on your acronym expansion - that'd 
just be silly. There are immense differences between JSP and servlets 
though as I'm sure you recall from your MSc.

However, I would counter that it's important to not confuse server speed

with network speed. The server technology has no impact on the content 
delivery, and given modern server power any server latencies are 
negligable compared to those experienced on the network; or indeed the 
server forking mechanisms for sites which receive vast volumes of hits. 
I personally don't remember a time where I sat there twiddling my thumbs

just because the website was written in JSP - or any other server 
technology for that matter.

I agree that JSP isn't the fastest executing choice of scripting 
language, which means that if a site is written in it then it is chosen 
for other reasons - code portability/re-usability; future enterprise 
integration; future scalability using Sun's tiered enterprise server 
(there are others on the list that understand this more than I).

Indeed, to bring on the point about requests being the main culprit for 
a slow server response; frequently those sites with high volumes are the

very same that require this enterprise grade system to keep everything 
manageable - so maybe there lies a false assumption: because high volume

sites tend to use tools such as JSP it appears that JSP is slow when in 
fact it's just the server being overloaded?

And, in fact I disagree that the hammondgallery.co.uk example was in any

way bad. I thought considering that it has a menu system that only works

for JS users is of far greater concern, and given that I don't recall 
many art gallery's looking that great when their paintings are covered 
in tarpaulin I think it worked well - and interestingly, as if it 
happened just to prove the point I found that the JSP parsed page 
actually loaded faster than the site itself!

>How come the list emails are being duplicated?
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>
Mine aren't. Maybe you're just special.

Steve
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Goddam, I love the smell of napalm in the morning! Name the film for 10
points - LOL

Anyhow, I take it Steve that you are a fan of JSP and such like? I have
nothing against it and yes it has some great capabilities, my analogy of
speed was merely a passing comment and not intended to cause any
offence. 

Yes I can recall the JAVA done at University and to be frank its not
something I wish to try again. Not to say the JAVA itself was bad, if I
had had more experience and formal training with it then it may well
have been a beautiful experience.

However I find a lot of JAVA technology (generic banding together of
technologies) to be a reinvention of the wheel (from work experience),
but as with all things there is more than 1 way of doing it and what
works for one organisation may not work for another so there is no right
or wrong, merely appropriate or inappropriate. 

The hammondgallery.co.uk site did present usable content but this
exercise proves that visiting the vast majority of websites with text
only presentation is an academic exercise, aside from testing the only
real use would be for blogs and forum boards etc where content
deliverance is clearly secondary to content presentation.

The menu on hammondgallery.co.uk is JS but is duplicated in plain text
and should cater for all users, however the more idiot proof you build
something the better the idiot gets!

In summary I always find time to twiddle my thumbs irrespective of what
language a system is written in, only if something fails then you have
to stop the twiddling and use your hands to drink coffee and shout
instructions at the lowest office member.

And thank you for thinking that I am special, but why does that entitle
me to double emails?

Ian


 

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