[SLUG] OT: Browse the net super quick..

[Ian Eade]

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[mailto:scarborough-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Stephen
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Sent: 20 April 2005 09:03
To: Scarborough Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: Browse the net super quick..
 
Ian Eade wrote:
 
>Anyhow, I take it Steve that you are a fan of JSP and such like? I have
>nothing against it and yes it has some great capabilities, my analogy
of
>speed was merely a passing comment and not intended to cause any
>offence. 
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>
No offence caused, I'm not a fan per sé but I've equally learnt through 
~work experience~ that you can't just say something's crap and never 
touch it again - as you said, certain tools fit certain needs.
 
>However I find a lot of JAVA technology (generic banding together of
>technologies) to be a reinvention of the wheel (from work experience),
>  
>
How do you mean that it's a reinvention of the wheel?
 
Maybe not the best description and not easy to provide arguments for and
against. Maybe best to start a new thread or two on the merits and
otherwise of various like for like technologies. In this case “like for
like” not necessarily being the technologies themselves but their
intended usage and end goals. So who has used what technologies and what
are the pro’s and con’s?
 
>The hammondgallery.co.uk site did present usable content but this
>exercise proves that visiting the vast majority of websites with text
>only presentation is an academic exercise, aside from testing the only
>real use would be for blogs and forum boards etc where content
>deliverance is clearly secondary to content presentation.
>  
>
Interesting. I presume that you're not an advocate for separating 
content from presentation with CSS? (aside from the technical 
implications, I'm talking purely about the principle).
 
 
Not entirely sure how you arrived at this presumption, however I am in
favour of separating content, presentation and logic using CSS and
server side technologies. The use of text only content deliverance can
only be of practical use when the target is primarily text based, such
as blogs and forums.
 
The original users of text only browsers (Lynx etc) did not have to
contend with art galleries, nested tables, layers, JS menus and a whole
load more visually orientated content/presentation. 
 
As an improvement for browsing speed I have my firewall strip out as
many images as it can (especially banner adverts) and find that the
presentation on web pages remains largely remains the same. Not as
drastic as a text only browser but a good compromise between speed and
presentation.
 
 
>The menu on hammondgallery.co.uk is JS but is duplicated in plain text
>and should cater for all users, 
>
Ah, that'll be that plain text list of links buried in the middle of the

content? :P
 
RFE: can we have a flashing neon sign please? Oh, no, wait.. flashing...

hmmm, another can of usability worms.
 
 
When trying to get a website which relies heavily on the graphics to
provide the content then removing the graphics there will be little left
but a pile of text links. 
 
Usability is like nailing jelly to a wall, you make think you’ve got it
but in practice its never really finished.
 
Anyone come across the “user centric design methodology”?
 
 
 
>however the more idiot proof you build
>something the better the idiot gets!
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>
Are you calling me an idiot?
 
 
Buy no means, it comes from the axiom:
 
“The more idiot proof you build something the better the class of idiot”
 
and
 
“You have to build a system to cater for the lowest common idiot” 
 
Would you agree that you cannot build a system which caters ideally for
a novice user and for an advanced user?
 
>And thank you for thinking that I am special, but why does that entitle
>me to double emails?
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>
You were clearly chosen by God - and it's not for us to question his 
mysterious ways.
 
I thought that was the new pope and I bet he does not get duplicated
emails through his holy inbox? 
 
Ian
 
 
Steve
 
 
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