[Gllug] Windows -> Linux

[Nix]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Simon Stewart yowled:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 11:03:08PM +0000, Nix wrote:
>> YMMV, of course... but Qt is a widget set too far for
>> me. Horrible-looking, relies on fragile *and unnecessary* C++ language
>> extensions implemented using a somewhat dysfunctional preprocessor...
> 
> Well, both QT and Gtk are themable, so the "horrible-looking" argument
> is slightly specious.

Agreed, but I liked the Gnome look. The technical argument is the
important one to me, anyway.

>                       You're right, the signals and slots mechanism
> isn't the world's most elegant *shrugs*

No, signals and slots are very nice (Motif and Gtk use them too). What's
ugly and stupid is implementing a preprocessor to do the signals/slots
thing, with all the stupidity that implies (Stroustrup wants to destroy
cpp for a reason, and they add a *new* one?) when it's perfectly doable
in plain Standard C++. (For example, see the method used by the
libsigc++ library.)

>> Likewise Nautilus and gnome-vfs --- or, at least, this will be true in
>> time; right now -vfs and Nautilus are playing catch-up with each
>> other. They're resynchronizing in GNOME 2 and should end up duplicating
>> less of each other's functionality :)
> 
> Is that use of gnome-vfs pervasive? One of the cutest features of KDE
> is that I can type a URL into any file dialog box in any KDE program
> and it'll work as expected. If it is, I might reload Gnome and see

It's not quite pervasive yet, IIRC. In GNOME 2, it should be.

> whether it's any better from when I last played with it. IME, it
> seemed more like a collection of disparate parts rather than an
> integrated whole, and it felt very unstable. Might wait until Gnome 2
> is out though.

A good move, probably.

[Evolution for KDE?]
>> No chance, I'd say; Evolution is really tightly tied to Gnome. Only
>> Nautilus is more tied. Both are pushing features into gnome-libs,
>> bonobo, gnome-vfs and so on and finding bugs in it at a considerable
>> rate; there are even two libraries (eel and gal) that consist of little
>> more than `stuff gnumeric, evolution, and nautilus originated that
>> should be in gnome-libs, and will move in in 2.something.'
> 
> I'd have expected that much. Evolution looks like quite a nice toy,

I don't know. I've built it here, but only on request. I've never run it
(as a user that gets any email, at least) because I get mail with a very
nicely working but quite delicate system involving quite complex
procmail and Gnus interactions, and I'm not quite sure what'd happen if
something else chose to move mail out from under Gnus's nose.

> Sometime in 2000, wasn't there talk about KParts and Bonobo being
> integrated?

*boggle* How? They rely on different base object types!

>             That appears to have petered out, which is a pity, but Nix
> will prolly know more about it than I do.

I'd never heard of this. Got a pointer to some mailing list stuff I can
boggle at?

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