[Gllug] Hi!

[william pink]

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:11 PM, william pink <will.pink at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Hari Sekhon <hpsekhon at googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>> william pink wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Hari Sekhon <hpsekhon at googlemail.com
>> > <mailto:hpsekhon at googlemail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     David Damerell wrote:
>> >     > On Sunday, 5 Jul 2009, Nix wrote:
>> >     >
>> >     >> It doesn't seem to happen on this list, but I've seen, fairly
>> >     >> frequently, Debian-obsessed people (never or rarely Debian
>> >     developers)
>> >     >> act exactly like that: Debian is perfect, Ubuntu is lower that
>> the
>> >     >> dogs... this is plainly a silly attitude.
>> >     >>
>> >     >
>> >     > Straw men aside, I think the real attitude here is that Ubuntu
>> have
>> >     > managed to make a mess of a lot of the things that made Debian
>> good,
>> >     > and that this means it is not particularly useful. I don't think
>> >     > that's a particularly silly attitude.
>> >     >
>> >     If someone were to say that Ubuntu was a Noob's distribution, I
>> >     wouldn't
>> >     bothering correcting them for the [0-9]% exception rate.
>> >
>> >     I am warming to Ubuntu a little after years of defiant resistance,
>> but
>> >     Redhat still rules the roost and I don't see how or why any credible
>> >     shops would go Ubuntu. It's only little web2.0 startups without
>> >     significant expertise that are using it from what I can tell of
>> >     the job
>> >     market.
>> >
>> >     In my experience ubuntu servers actually have too many non-security
>> >     updates which is a mistake for a server distro as this causes
>> alerts,
>> >     and wastes admin time with patching. I'm yet to hear a very
>> >     experienced
>> >     and highly skilled person to recommend ubuntu for servers (because
>> >     they
>> >     should know better).
>> >
>> >     -h
>> >
>> >     --
>> >     Hari Sekhon
>> >     http://www.linkedin.com/in/harisekhon
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I use Ubuntu Ubuntu 8.04.1 Server for all servers and have no problems
>> > what so ever so I would like to know why you think I should know
>> > better, as your linkedin says you would like to pursue skills in
>> > Windows 2008 / Exchange 2007 which makes me doubt the credibility of
>> > your reply somewhat ;)
>> >
>> > If only people could explain themselves more it wouldn't make them
>> > look like such buffoons.
>> >
>> > W
>>
>> Will, that's actually a bit dated, the rest of it is more interesting,
>> but I am an IT professional and if companies will run things like that
>> then I have to accept that and learn them too... even if they are not as
>> interesting as the rest of the things that I do, if you read the rest of
>> my profile...
>>
>> Anyway, personal attacks aside, (which usually indicate a losing
>> argument) I guess the rest of the world running redhat must simply not
>> know what they are doing...
>>
>> I used to think this way years ago, boy was I anti-redhat despite it
>> being one of my first distros and pro debian/gentoo etc. but as
>> scalability grows, redhat/centos has worked best with automation,
>> stability and scalability of infrastructure based on my experience in
>> the last several years. This is a view I once contested from another
>> senior engineer working at Rackspace that I happened to meet on the bus
>> one day in London, but that was when I was much less experienced, so I
>> eventually grew up and realized what he was talking about, which sounds
>> like the stage you're at.
>>
>> I've given a very reasonable view based on market observations as well
>> as my own experience. If you don't value the latter, then you should at
>> least value the former unless you think you smarter than the rest of the
>> world in which case nobody can help you.
>>
>> I know this is Glugg, but let's try to play nice...
>>
>> -h
>>
>>
> It was more a humorous personal attack and no way a spiteful one, I did
> read most of
> your profile and was very much impressed.
>
> I am in no way anti-redhat I used to be administer a cluster of Redhat ES4
> nodes and my background
> initially was Redhat/CentOS/Fedora and that suited me fine, when I started
> this job it was very much a Ubuntu/Debian shop purely
> out of personal preference from the previous administrator and by that time
> I was a heavy user of Ubuntu so
> I carried on that trend. I think I would be happy with a Redhat deriative
> or a Debian deriative and I have no
> regrets choosing Ubuntu it does everything I require which I am sure Redhat
> would do to but I personally don't think it could do it any better.
>
> Going from that point of market observation then I should be using Windows
> should I not? I choose to use Debian on my
> Desktop because its what I prefer not because someone said I must use X, Y
> or Z because everyone else is. From a web server market OS view
> I would certainly be very surprised if the majority was Redhat to be honest
> (I am willing to accept this with proof though)
>
> If we all used all the same distro it would certainly be a boring old LUG
> thats for sure
>
> W
>

Also apologies to Isabella and welcome to the LUG

W
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