[HLUG] Email Formatting - a bit of a rant... (WAS Re: Preston as a venue for LUG meeting & CAPS Herefordshire)
Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
matthew at truthisfreedom.org.uk
Tue Sep 9 18:37:52 UTC 2008
Hi,
Please excuse the top-posting and the long text below, it's serving as
an example for my point.
Please can people not send HTML-only email?
There are probably a number of us who use either webmail or a
text-based email client such as Mutt or Pine to read email. If we are
sent html email, it is displayed exactly as the email is displayed
below. This makes it impossible to read and make sense of in the short
time that I have to check what's happening.
Whilst I admire Christopher's enthusiasm, even Hotmail has a setting
to send plain-text email and I would really appreciate it if mail
clients could be setup to at least send a plain-text version as well
as the HTML one.
Also, can I please ask people not to top-post. I don't want to be
seen as a list-nazi[0], I just want to be able to read a conversation
in the order that it is taking place. This email that I am sending
now is an excellent (and purposeful) example of why you shouldn't top
post - by now no-one can see the original message that I am replying
to and the meaning and context of this email is lost.
Finally, can people please trim the email that they are replying to so
that it only contains the relevant information to their point. Again,
I have not done this so that people can see how much of an issue it
can be to receive a 200 line email. If I'm trying to read my emails
whilst on the move, an email this size can take up to 3 minutes to
download over GPRS.
MAILADMINS: I'm happy to put forward a proposal for a mailing list
"behavioral guideline" document if anyone thinks that it is necessary.
Kind regards,
Matt
Quoting Christopher Evans <reactiv8 at hotmail.co.uk>:
>
> Greetings all!With reference to alternative venues for future LUG
> meetings, I'm delighted that the concept of using Herefordshire CAPS
> 'centres' appeals! - Hooray for 'Democracy', especially if we can
> 'circulate' around these centres to share the location of our
> meetings more 'equably'. Meeting in a village hall with all the
> facilities also makes it so much easier for us to discuss and learn
> together, and show Linux to other interested parties! - We could
> even go as far as installing Linux on CAPS laptops too, but in my
> local CAPS (Lingen), that would inevitably meet the 'bureaucracy' of
> a certain person who shall remain nameless - Better still that the
> CAPS higher administration made a 'policy decision' about Linux, and
> we would be laughing! - Incidentally, The Norwegian Government has
> already ruled in favour of Open Source for all government software
> in future! - As usual the Scandinavians are decades ahead of us in
> Blighty ... Anyway, my father and I are quite happy to meet at
> Preston-on-Wye next - I see that it is at Grid Reference SO384416,
> and those of us from N-W Herefordshire can reach it avoiding
> Leominster and Hereford, crossing the Wye at Bridge Sollers or
> Bredwardine. Let's keep this one rolling, eh?!Chris.Bridge Sollers>
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> Message: 1> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:27:08 +0100> From: "Julian
> Robbins" <joolsr at fastmail.fm>> Subject: Re: [HLUG] HLUG Meeting
> place - possible new Venues?> To: "Herefordshire Linux Users
> Group."> <herefordshire at mailman.lug.org.uk>> Message-ID:
> <1220880428.6187.1272777161 at webmail.messagingengine.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"> > > On Mon, 8 Sep
> 2008 09:55:52 +0100 (BST), grhmc at lavabit.com said:> > 2 CAPS suit me
> well: South Wye and Preston on Wye. Oddly enough Preston> > is> >
> quite accessible from Leominster and NW Herefordshire by small
> roads> > avoiding the city, though the routes need careful learning.
> South Wye is> > also the right side of the river for me.> > I'm
> willing to contact either centre if enough people would actually
> like> > to meet there. Note that Wednesday is already open for
> allcomers at> > Preston and could be tried once. Arranging a meet at
> either place will> > help concentrate people's minds I guess....> >
> > > Graham> > Hi Graham> > I've had a look at some of the webpages
> describing the Herefordshire> CAPS. Preston is one that stands out
> as its says :-> > 'Laptops, Projector & screen available for hire to
> community groups.'> > So its sounds promising. Hopefully we can
> borrow their hall too !> > I suppose one of the main issues is
> whether these CAPS are available in> the evening. We don't have any
> specific date/day in the month, so are> flexible. I am waiting on
> booking the Day Centre this month, in case we> can get setup
> somewhere for our Sept meeting at a CAP instead.> > If you could do
> some initial digging around at Preston/South Wye (or> others) it
> would be appreciated. I think they are quite central so worth>
> contacting if you would be so good to do this for us.> > I think it
> looks like HIT (Herefordshire in Touch) funded and setup> these
> CAPS, for a project that ended in Late 2007. The idea is that the>
> CAPS will now be run by volunteers and a steering committee at each>
> location (Village Halls etc), so I guess the CAPS can, and will be
> quite> variable in how they would react to us, in terms of
> manpower,> facilities, etc> > There are actually quite a few in the
> middle of the county, ie Burghill,> South Wye, Canon Pyon, Mansel
> Lacy, Bodenham. The only down side to> going to a CAP, as far as I
> see it, is that it may be less accessible> for some LUG members who
> don't have a car, but i think most do anyway.> > The beauty of going
> to the CAPS, is that we have people manning these> places that will
> have an interest in IT too, and we can also put on> talks on Linux
> and leave Linux CD's perhaps, so we're much more in the> realms of
> the part of society we are reaching out too.> > Julian> > > > > Hi>
> > >> > > We've discussed this before, but one of the ways we can get
> further as a> > > group, and to support ourselves, and others, and
> events like Software> > > Freedom Day, this year or next is to have
> a decent meeting venue with> > > *proper* IT facilities .> > >> > >
> The Day Centre we meet at is friendly, cheap, central has good car>
> > > parking, but has two notable issues, no spare pc's to play with,
> and no> > > wifi broadband. The second in this connected world in
> the biggest problem.> > >> > > Chris Evans' suggestion of the CAP,
> in Lingen set me thinking .. great> > > idea but wrong location ?> >
> >> > > There are many other Community Access Points in the County.
> I found the> > > list of them here:-> > >> > >
> http://www.myherefordshire.com/communityaccess/locations.aspx> > >>
> > > Can I suggest before we approach them, if anyone know the
> operators of> > > */any /*of the CAPS that they get in touch on the
> list beforehand ?> > > Lingen is a great idea, but I think we need
> somewhere more> > > central/accessible to start with.> > >> > >
> Also, I notice that the CAP's were setup by jointly by Herefordshire
> In> > > Touch whom we did a couple of Linux projects in the past,
> so I might try> > > contacting them too ..> > >> > > Julian> > >> >
> > --> > > Herefordshire LUG mailing list> > > Web:
> http://www.herefordshire.lug.org.uk> > > List:
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/herefordshire> > >> > >
> ____________________________________________________________________________________> > > Click here to become certified as a medical assistant at a school near> > > you.> > > http://ads.lavabit.com/fc/Ioyw6kdeFIvPlPuUNBFMGkmLJpYvtWz6AMs9XVFgbElFU4uqK1SiNw/> > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > Herefordshire LUG mailing list> > Web: http://www.herefordshire.lug.org.uk> > List: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/herefordshire> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:35:24 +0100 (BST)> From: grhmc at lavabit.com> Subject: Re: [HLUG] HLUG Meeting place - possible new Venues?> To: "Herefordshire Linux Users Group."> <herefordshire at mailman.lug.org.uk>> Message-ID: <26351.86.152.223.250.1220888124.squirrel at lavabit.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1> > I'll make contact with Preston on Wye CAP without prejudice for our> meetings and let you know what happens.> > Graham> > >> > On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:55:52 +0100 (BST), grhmc at lavabit.com said:> >> 2 CAPS suit me well: South Wye and Preston on Wye. Oddly enough Preston> >> is> >> quite accessible from Leominster and NW Herefordshire by small roads> >> avoiding the city, though the routes need careful learning. South Wye is> >> also the right side of the river for me.> >> I'm willing to contact either centre if enough people would actually> >> like> >> to meet there. Note that Wednesday is already open for allcomers at> >> Preston and could be tried once. Arranging a meet at either place will> >> help concentrate people's minds I guess....> >>> >> Graham> >> > Hi Graham> >> > I've had a look at some of the webpages describing the Herefordshire> > CAPS. Preston is one that stands out as its says :-> >> > 'Laptops, Projector & screen available for hire to community groups.'> >> > So its sounds promising. Hopefully we can borrow their hall too !> >> > I suppose one of the main issues is whether these CAPS are available in> > the evening. We don't have any specific date/day in the month, so are> > flexible. I am waiting on booking the Day Centre this month, in case we> > can get setup somewhere for our Sept meeting at a CAP instead.> >> > If you could do some initial digging around at Preston/South Wye (or> > others) it would be appreciated. I think they are quite central so worth> > contacting if you would be so good to do this for us.> >> > I think it looks like HIT (Herefordshire in Touch) funded and setup> > these CAPS, for a project that ended in Late 2007. The idea is that the> > CAPS will now be run by volunteers and a steering committee at each> > location (Village Halls etc), so I guess the CAPS can, and will be quite> > variable in how they would react to us, in terms of manpower,> > facilities, etc> >> > There are actually quite a few in the middle of the county, ie Burghill,> > South Wye, Canon Pyon, Mansel Lacy, Bodenham. The only down side to> > going to a CAP, as far as I see it, is that it may be less accessible> > for some LUG members who don't have a car, but i think most do anyway.> >> > The beauty of going to the CAPS, is that we have people manning these> > places that will have an interest in IT too, and we can also put on> > talks on Linux and leave Linux CD's perhaps, so we're much more in the> > realms of the part of society we are reaching out too.> >> > Julian> >>> >> > Hi> >> >> >> > We've discussed this before, but one of the ways we can get further as> >> a> >> > group, and to support ourselves, and others, and events like Software> >> > Freedom Day, this year or next is to have a decent meeting venue with> >> > *proper* IT facilities .> >> >> >> > The Day Centre we meet at is friendly, cheap, central has good car> >> > parking, but has two notable issues, no spare pc's to play with, and> >> no> >> > wifi broadband. The second in this connected world in the biggest> >> problem.> >> >> >> > Chris Evans' suggestion of the CAP, in Lingen set me thinking .. great> >> > idea but wrong location ?> >> >> >> > There are many other Community Access Points in the County. I found> >> the> >> > list of them here:-> >> >> >> > http://www.myherefordshire.com/communityaccess/locations.aspx> >> >> >> > Can I suggest before we approach them, if anyone know the operators of> >> > */any /*of the CAPS that they get in touch on the list beforehand ?> >> > Lingen is a great idea, but I think we need somewhere more> >> > central/accessible to start with.> >> >> >> > Also, I notice that the CAP's were setup by jointly by Herefordshire> >> In> >> > Touch whom we did a couple of Linux projects in the past, so I might> >> try> >> > contacting them too ..> >> >> >> > Julian> >> >> >> > --> >> > Herefordshire LUG mailing list> >> > Web: http://www.herefordshire.lug.org.uk> >> > List: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/herefordshire> >> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________________________________> >> > Click here to become certified as a medical assistant at a school near> >> > you.> >> > http://ads.lavabit.com/fc/Ioyw6kdeFIvPlPuUNBFMGkmLJpYvtWz6AMs9XVFgbElFU4uqK1SiNw/> >> > ____________________________________________________________________________________> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> --> >> Herefordshire LUG mailing list> >> Web: http://www.herefordshire.lug.org.uk> >> List: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/herefordshire> >> > --> > Herefordshire LUG mailing list> > Web: http://www.herefordshire.lug.org.uk> > List: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/herefordshire> >> > ____________________________________________________________________________________> > Achieve elemental protection with a new outdoor umbrella! Click now!> > http://ads.lavabit.com/fc/Ioyw6kdb2AslnskX8Lilhb24HLrG2LcdRsPDGkF9mYgcRz47huYkR4/> > ____________________________________________________________________________________> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:23:39 +0100> From: Peter Linnell <info at lifespacedesign.co.uk>> Subject: [HLUG] Build a wiki> To: herefordshire at mailman.lug.org.uk> Message-ID: <48C6409B.7050602 at lifespacedesign.co.uk>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Dear all,> > I have the task of expediting the creation of a wiki for the Kington > local energy and environment network. I have never done this and at > present do not have spare time to learn from scratch, nor do I have a > permanent internet access from which to download training etc.> > So this is an outright beg ! I am asking for one of the people in here > that I know do know how to do a wiki to either do it for me and point me > at the space and passwords, or to allow me to come to you at work or > home and hand-hold me through the process.> > As I only get to email a couple of times a week, my phone is 07 890 819 > 556 for rapid communication.> > Many thanks in anticipation for your time and consideration,> Pete H@> > > > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Herefordshire mailing list> Herefordshire at mailman.lug.org.uk> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/herefordshire> > End of Herefordshire Digest, Vol 822, Issue 1>
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