Per last night's meeting: New Earth Time: http://newearthtime.net/ POVRAY: www.povray.org/ www.povray.org/download/ PDF Creator http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ also available on the Live CD of Ubuntu Linux (even though it's a Windoze program), as is Version 1.1.2 of OpenOffice for Windoze (matches the Linux version in Ubuntu). Cheers, Andy