[Phpwm] Re: My New Project

Mon Oct 23 13:24:19 BST 2006

>Very sensible, but you will find it does take a lot of time to write,
>especially alongside whatever you are doing in the daytime on customers
>sites. I dont know what timescale you are looking at but you will find
>things easier if you can get a lot of it written in the evenings while you
>are still working for someone else and not having to worry about getting
>bills paid, doing paperwork etc!

Thats the plan, I intend to do it in the evenings, and although it will take 
a while to get done, I think if it as a time investment as I'm sure the 
hours it will save will be worth it:)

Thanks for the feedback folks, I'll keep you posted.

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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:29:11 +0000
>From: "Chris Allen" <pickledegg at hotmail.co.uk>
>Subject: [Phpwm] My New Project
>To: phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk
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>Just thought I'd babble on a bit about my new project, as its the largest
>I've embarked on so far, and I'm using the Codeigniter framework to ease
>things a little. Forgive me in advance for waffling. :)
>Its been done many times, but I'm making a flexible structure for a website
>for my own use. It consists of:
>
>Front End - Semantic XHTML with a few divs for design flexibilty.
>Back End -
>User Admin, Product Admin, Contact Admin( with mailing functionality ) &
>page content admin.
>
>This will give me the bones of a website package that I can tailor to suit 
>a
>customers requirements. It should cover most types of site, from basic
>static to ecommerce sites.
>
>In future I may add CSS skins and editable design elements, only time will
>tell!
>
>This is because I aim to go freelance, and I need a bit of 'power on the
>hip'. My aims are to make it as expandible and future-proof as possible, 
>cos
>I'm sick of rewriting the same stuff :)
>
>A sensible approach don't you agree?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> >Subject: Phpwm Digest, Vol 39, Issue 13
> >Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:15:18 +0100
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> >    1. Re: List Etiquette (Tony Whitmore)
> >    2. Re: language on this list (Tony Whitmore)
> >    3. Re: List Etiquette (David Goodwin)
> >    4. Re: List Etiquette (Tony Whitmore)
> >    5. Re: language on this list (Kev)
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> >Message: 1
> >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:25:27 +0100
> >From: Tony Whitmore <phpwm at tonywhitmore.co.uk>
> >Subject: Re: [Phpwm] List Etiquette
> >To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> >Message-ID: <453A11B7.8000504 at tonywhitmore.co.uk>
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> >
> >Katherine Goodwin wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > While we like a bit of friendly debate on phpwm, there's no need to
> > > resort to bad language to insult each other (Lets reserve that for
> > > complaining about our / other people's code ;-))
> > >
> > > As list admins, David and I don't want to have to resort to filtering
> > > posts or removing people from the list if they're regularly abusive.
> > >
> > > Lets keep it friendly please, we've been doing well so far.
> >
> >Would it be worth adding a few guidelines on list etiquette to the PHPWM
> >wiki? It's often part of the process of maturing that communities have
> >to start laying down some rules for self-governance. These needn't be
> >overly formal, but give people an idea of what behaviour is
> >unacceptable. Areas for consideration could include:
> >
> >* Top-posting
> >* Use of HTML mail
> >* Language
> >* Quoting styles
> >* Avoiding flames and over-reactions
> >
> >It might also be worth looking at the equivalent pages on the HantsLUG
> >wiki:
> >http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MailingList
> >http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MailingList/Tips
> >
> >These pages are probably a bit too in-depth for what PHPWM needs at the
> >moment, but might provide useful inspiration.
> >
> >HTH,
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 2
> >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:30:24 +0100
> >From: Tony Whitmore <phpwm at tonywhitmore.co.uk>
> >Subject: Re: [Phpwm] language on this list
> >To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> >Message-ID: <453A12E0.5030707 at tonywhitmore.co.uk>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> >Phil Beynon wrote:
> > > David,
> > > Do we actually have to have this person on the list?
> >
> >Whilst I'm not condoning the extensive use of bad language, please bear
> >in mind that there are often personal circumstances outside of the list
> >that cause people to lose their temper and flame. That doesn't make
> >receiving flames any easier, especially in a public arena like this, but
> >it can perhaps inform one's response to being flamed.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:28:59 +0100
> >From: David Goodwin <david at codepoets.co.uk>
> >Subject: Re: [Phpwm] List Etiquette
> >To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> >Message-ID: <20061021142858.GA13171 at codepoets.co.uk>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > > These pages are probably a bit too in-depth for what PHPWM needs at 
>the
> > > moment, but might provide useful inspiration.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> >
> >Hi Tony,
> >
> >Thanks for the suggestion; I've written http://www.phpwm.org/mailinglist
> >which might help in the future...
> >
> >thanks
> >David.
> >
> >--
> >David Goodwin
> >
> >[ david at codepoets dot co dot uk ]
> >[ http://www.codepoets.co.uk       ]
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 4
> >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:38:46 +0100
> >From: Tony Whitmore <phpwm at tonywhitmore.co.uk>
> >Subject: Re: [Phpwm] List Etiquette
> >To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> >Message-ID: <453A30F6.4040608 at tonywhitmore.co.uk>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> >David Goodwin wrote:
> > >> These pages are probably a bit too in-depth for what PHPWM needs at 
>the
> > >> moment, but might provide useful inspiration.
> > >>
> > >> HTH,
> > >
> > > Hi Tony,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the suggestion; I've written 
>http://www.phpwm.org/mailinglist
> > > which might help in the future...
> >
> >Looks good!
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 5
> >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:27:34 +0100
> >From: Kev <php at beachboy.co.uk>
> >Subject: Re: [Phpwm] language on this list
> >To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> >Message-ID: <200610211927.34346.php at beachboy.co.uk>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="utf-8"
> >
> >On Saturday 21 Oct 2006 13:30, Tony Whitmore wrote:
> > > Whilst I'm not condoning the extensive use of bad language, please 
>bear
> > > in mind that there are often personal circumstances outside of the 
>list
> > > that cause people to lose their temper and flame. That doesn't make
> > > receiving flames any easier, especially in a public arena like this, 
>but
> > > it can perhaps inform one's response to being flamed.
> > >
> >
> >I'm afraid Stephen has made a habit of this sort of offensive behaviour. 
>He
> >has little respect for others, and is basic an ignorant lout. The fact 
>that
> >he hasn't been thrown out of the group in the past, has only made him
> >worse.
> >In the past, he sent me a "friendly" direct email, after I passed comment
> >on
> >his rather unpleasant attitude to a newbie. He is a genuinely nasty
> >character, who shouldn't be made welcome until he sorts his attitude out.
> >
> >I also take exception to Stephens excuse that it's OK, because he's
> >autistic.
> >Well as someone who has worked in special schools with autistic kids, I
> >find
> >it a miserable excuse to put it bluntly.
> >
> >Kev
> >
> >
> >
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:48:05 +0100
>From: Rob Allen <rob at akrabat.com>
>Subject: Re: [Phpwm] My New Project
>To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>Message-ID: <453C81C5.80405 at akrabat.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>Chris Allen wrote:
> > Just thought I'd babble on a bit about my new project, as its the
> > largest I've embarked on so far, and I'm using the Codeigniter framework
> > to ease things a little. Forgive me in advance for waffling. :)
> > Its been done many times, but I'm making a flexible structure for a
> > website for my own use. It consists of:
> >
> > Front End - Semantic XHTML with a few divs for design flexibilty.
> > Back End -
> > User Admin, Product Admin, Contact Admin( with mailing functionality ) &
> > page content admin.
> >
> > This will give me the bones of a website package that I can tailor to
> > suit a customers requirements. It should cover most types of site, from
> > basic static to ecommerce sites.
> >
> > In future I may add CSS skins and editable design elements, only time
> > will tell!
> >
> > This is because I aim to go freelance, and I need a bit of 'power on the
> > hip'. My aims are to make it as expandible and future-proof as possible,
> > cos I'm sick of rewriting the same stuff :)
> >
> > A sensible approach don't you agree?
> >
> >
>
>
>You've just described the basics of our CMF that we use at work :) We
>use it to build 90% of our sites. 10% don't fit into the limitations of
>our CMF and hence we are slowly R&Ding a new CMF based on Zend Framework
>that will allow us to standardise the building of a greater percentage
>of our website jobs.
>
>Personally, I think that a CMF is far more useful than a CMS as you can
>far more easily tailor the system to suit the site you are building.
>
>I'm looking forward to hearing about your experiences :)
>
>Regards,
>
>Rob...
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:39:30 +0100
>From: "Phil Beynon" <phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk>
>Subject: RE: [Phpwm] My New Project
>To: "West Midlands PHP User Group" <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>Message-ID:
>	<MDBBIMBGKCJEJKIHMENGIELOKPAA.phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> > Just thought I'd babble on a bit about my new project, as its the 
>largest
> > I've embarked on so far, and I'm using the Codeigniter framework to ease
> > things a little. Forgive me in advance for waffling. :)
> > Its been done many times, but I'm making a flexible structure for
> > a website
>
>This sounds very similar to my coeus-computica project.
>
> > for my own use. It consists of:
> >
> > Front End - Semantic XHTML with a few divs for design flexibilty.
> > Back End -
> > User Admin, Product Admin, Contact Admin( with mailing functionality ) &
> > page content admin.
>
>Don't worry, you will find that list grows and grows..... :-)
>Function creep is the main problem with projects of this nature - you have
>to lay down a main set of functions then enhancements, then anything else
>that comes along gets shortlisted for the next version, otherwise its never
>ending!
>
>If you are selling or aiming to sell to the SME market then dont worry
>overly about making it run with a definable set of users all with different
>rights over different parts of the site, to date none of my customers have
>made that a requirement, so its saved up for version 2.
>
> > This will give me the bones of a website package that I can
> > tailor to suit a
> > customers requirements. It should cover most types of site, from basic
> > static to ecommerce sites.
>
>Are you trying to make it as something that just you use or is this for the
>customer to administer the site directly?
>My personal preference is for the customer to administer the site almost
>wholly by themselves, including things like uploading and resizing images 
>or
>sets of images. Once the site is up and running then you get a heck of a 
>lot
>less disturbance that way. I do quite a few sites for the antiques /
>collectables trade of that nature.
>One thing you will find is mostly the customers / users are quite happy for
>a backend that is functional but not glamorous - they simply aren't so
>bothered about pretty icons and page colours compared with intuitive ease 
>of
>use.
>
> > In future I may add CSS skins and editable design elements, only
> > time will
> > tell!
>
>Think about an admin back end which dynamically writes the CSS and allows
>positioning of standard page parts via div tags, if you can get most of the
>site to lie in essentially one switched page it gives huge flexibility.
>
> > This is because I aim to go freelance, and I need a bit of 'power on the
> > hip'. My aims are to make it as expandible and future-proof as
> > possible, cos
> > I'm sick of rewriting the same stuff :)
> >
> > A sensible approach don't you agree?
>
>Very sensible, but you will find it does take a lot of time to write,
>especially alongside whatever you are doing in the daytime on customers
>sites. I dont know what timescale you are looking at but you will find
>things easier if you can get a lot of it written in the evenings while you
>are still working for someone else and not having to worry about getting
>bills paid, doing paperwork etc!
>
>Phil
>
>
>
>
>
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