[Phpwm] magento

[Gavin Kimpson]

Oops... typo!
I meant to say the following..in the previous message :-
What do you guys think OpenCart?

Cheers,
Gav :-)

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Gavin Kimpson <gkimpson at gmail.com> wrote:
> As we talking about eCommerce - chat do you guys think OpenCart?
> Seems pretty good to me & it is open source and I just wondered what
> you pro's thought of it?
>
> http://www.opencart.com/
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Andy Cowan <andy at w4.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Based on current versions - again, we use it in anger every day.
>>
>> 1. Performance is more than acceptable - second what Greg says, you need
>> a properly set up accelerator, but that's more or less a given these
>> days isn't it?
>> 2. Yes, there's a lot of XML - but you don't need to get that involved
>> most of the time.
>> 3. The API is much better now - however, as Greg says, there's no real
>> documentation, so getting started is a pain.
>> 4. I'm pretty sure there are lot more Magento devs around now than there
>> used to be - so many us seem to have come to Magento after being
>> frustrated by Zen/OS Commerce/ Uber Cart et al.
>> 5. No, disagree - theming is good. Especially in comparison to  Os/Zen.
>> It feels like it has designers much more in mind than the alternatives.
>>
>> Also, I'd point out that users love the admin backend. We've moved
>> several over from OS/Zen and they've all been very happy with the
>> backend improvements.
>>
>> So, I suppose to sum up, along with ModX and Symfony, it's one of our
>> three weapons of choice these days. Clearly its not perfect, but we get
>> sites done quicker, with more functionality and looking better in
>> Magento than the alternatives.
>>
>> A.
>>
>> On 14/12/2009 21:19, Greg Jones wrote:
>>> Hiya,
>>>
>>> I'm doing Magento development pretty much full-time at the moment and
>>> it's pretty good once you get to grips with it.
>>>
>>> There's an awful lot of abstraction, and there is no developer
>>> documentation but it's pretty solid, really flexible in what you can
>>> hook into and extend (there's a mechanism for extending any built-in
>>> class, and/or you can listen for events that get fired pretty much
>>> everywhere - you'll never need to change a 'core' file and be faced
>>> with upgrade problems) with a boat-load of useful ecommerce
>>> functionality.
>>>
>>> With APC (and magento setup to use APC as it's cache backend - it's
>>> Zend_Cache under the hood) then performance is pretty good - for
>>> development, with none of the app caching turned on then things are
>>> really, really slow as it's parsing and merging those many XML files
>>> every time.
>>>
>>> Theming difficult? There are a lot of files, every little bit of the
>>> page will be it's own template file but the developer-mode tells you
>>> which bit of the page is in which file, and it's all very
>>> logical...just completely undocumented. There are also plenty of
>>> 3rd-party themes out there that even if not exactly what you're after,
>>> can provide a useful starting point.
>>>
>>> It's far, far from perfect, and I spend plenty of time cursing it, but
>>> there is plenty that's good about it, and it does seem to be so much
>>> better than anything else that's available.
>>>
>>> Greg.
>>>
>>> 2009/12/14 David Goodwin<david at codepoets.co.uk>:
>>>
>>>> j michaelson wrote :
>>>>
>>>>> My brother in law is making websites with magento and I remember
>>>>> hearing some pretty bad things about it at the meal we had at
>>>>> wagamamas. What exactly is wrong with magento and are there any
>>>>> similar products that do a better job?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Random summary:
>>>>
>>>> 1) It's very slow
>>>> 2) There are a lot of XML Files involved
>>>> 3) The API is not necessarily complete - it appears to offer all the
>>>> features you need, but then you may find they aren't completely
>>>> implemented
>>>> 4) There aren't many people out there who do Magento development
>>>> 5) Theming is apparently difficult.
>>>>
>>>> I looked at Magento about 2-3 years ago; a lot may have chanced since
>>>> then... but I've not heard many speak good about it.
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>> --
>>>> David Goodwin
>>>>
>>>> [ david at codepoets dot co dot uk ]
>>>> [ http://www.codepoets.co.uk       ]
>>>>
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