[Scottish] IRC Debate logs

[Kyle Gordon]

For those that care, we have recently had a heated debate on #scotlug about the future and the direction of SLUG as a group. I am posting the logs for completeness and so that those who are not on IRC or have no interest in it can see what would otherwise be called 'behind the scenes'

It's all open to your interpratation. The view presented here are the views of each individual person, which may or may not be a shared view of the situation

- windy [~NickLaGom at dyer.demon.co.uk] has joined #scotlug
21:07 < caagaard> bagpuss_thecat,  allways for you :-)
21:07 < bagpuss_thecat> evening windy
21:08 < windy> evening all
21:10 < bagpuss_thecat> well, it _was_ busy in here until about 4 minutes ago
21:10 < tam> interesting post to the list that was
21:10 < tam> bagpuss_thecat: well am trying to work...but more keep on coming in and i get bored as i see the queue getting more red
21:11 < bagpuss_thecat> an archive of talks would be nice, and advertising of the mailing list would also be helpful
21:12 < bagpuss_thecat> I would offer to organise that stuff, but don't have the time. And the last time I attempted to organise anything for scotlug I got slated for 'taking control' and not 'asking my peers' etc
21:12 < windy> My ears must have been burning
21:12 < bagpuss_thecat> tam: work... :-/
21:13 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: indeed
21:13 < windy> so whats the gen?
21:13 < bagpuss_thecat> tam: I have damned american everywhere wanting answers for a 3 hour outage earlier on today
21:13 < bagpuss_thecat> a/american/americans/
21:13 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: 'the gen'?
21:13 < tam> bagpuss_thecat: i've got 6 radiance cases in my queue
21:14 < windy> The thoughts?
21:14 < tam> i've done around 15 since i came in
21:14 < bagpuss_thecat> I don't have a terribly good grasp of abbreviations or acronyms :-p
21:14 < bagpuss_thecat> aah
21:14 < tam> make that 7 cases now
21:15 < windy> We need to become something more than we have been of late or we should stop kidding ourselves on.
21:16 < bagpuss_thecat> well, I speak for myself when I say that a comittee would be nice and would bring some order to the group. Unfortunately some believe that a committe is just the beginning of a big formal group, etc, etc, and is moving scotlug away from it's roots
21:16 < bagpuss_thecat> s/it's/its/
21:16 < bagpuss_thecat> its roots being a loosely joined group of people with a common interest
21:16 < windy> If we want a drinking club or a meal club then form one of those
21:17 < windy> with a common interest in Linux and open source not drinking or eating
21:17 < windy> About growing as a group
21:17 < bagpuss_thecat> yes
21:18 < sjmurdoch> edward: IBM R31 - so yes, it would seem like you are correct
21:18 < bagpuss_thecat> I'm at a bit of a loss really
21:18 < windy> Some of us are in it for the long term not just passing through or being cool or fashionable
21:18 < bagpuss_thecat> everyone seems keen to talk and discuss, but noone wants to take on the responsibility
21:19 < bagpuss_thecat> tbh, I don't know of many who have just passed through
21:19 < tam> what is cool or fashionable about it?
21:19 < tam> windy: ^
21:20 < windy> I've done it for four year and in spite of my premature demise as written by Mr Ben I now have the time and inclination to make a comeback
21:20  * Neil_ moves his idling stool closer
21:20 < kenny> so how would you see the committee being formed based on you needed a quarim of 5 people to hav ea meeting? what roles would you need?
21:21 < tam> kenny: a great speaker like you for a start
21:21 < kenny> im just good with the ladies tam
21:21 < tam> could give a talk oon how you got your soundcard working
21:21 < bagpuss_thecat> kenny: with some commas, it actually makes sense :-p
21:21 < tam> kenny: well we know that is just an exageration as you did give her 20 quid
21:21 < kenny> I did not give her 20 quid
21:21 < bagpuss_thecat> ladies, later
21:22 < kenny> hehe
21:22 < tam> kenny: IOU ?
21:22 < radman> anyone used a sharp zaurus?
21:22 < radman> #
21:22 < radman> woopsey
21:22 < Neil_> first point of order, bigkevmcd recommned it might be a good idea to put an 'offical' scotlug presence into this: http://www.icm-computer.co.uk/events/events_current.asp
21:22 < windy> That is a matter of the individuals perception of a thing, it's when it comes to giving time and resources you seperate the commited from the fop
21:22 < kenny> but a committee needs a structure, the roles need to have a palce within the comittee, I mean is a treasurer needed? waht would the treasurers trole be? what is the need, its needs to be put down in a constitution
21:22 < Neil_> but as we can't really define an offical scotlug presence at the moment we're a bit fscked, so here is a goal.
21:23 < kenny> what was the original goal of scotlug when it was launched?
21:23 < bagpuss_thecat> Neil_: looks good, and I like the idea
21:24 < windy> Why dont you announce this as the topic of January's debate and open it to all who can attend rather than stick it up here?
21:24 < bagpuss_thecat> put it to the list, and we'll get about 3 replies. If we make a move and try to go ahead with it, we'll get a different 3 people saying 'Who are you to represent us?'. And then we're stuck in a deadlock
21:25 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: sounds good
21:25 < bagpuss_thecat> kenny: signed up to the list?
21:25 < kenny> i dont think it would be like that bagpuss_thecat. but for the suggestion of a comittee is perhaps a good idea. but the roles need to be defined and a future goal and objective needs to be set then discussed to see if its a viable idea.
21:25 < kenny> yeah bagpuss_thecat
21:26 < windy> I think I form GLUG!
21:26 < windy> I think Colin might join me!
21:26 < bagpuss_thecat> lol
21:27 < bagpuss_thecat> there's been a change in the matrix...
21:27 < windy> Might not be as funny as you think
21:27 < seaLne> glug == gnu linux users group?
21:27 < windy> Genuine
21:27 < drochaid> glug == someone drinking noisily
21:27 < kenny> why do taht windy. you have a hard core folliwing here. of very helpful people.
21:28 < bagpuss_thecat> g = glasgow
21:28 < drochaid> maybe to people who know, not anyone else looing at it
21:28 < seaLne> GlaLUG if anything
21:28 < kenny> well commuication is the key there drochaid
21:29 < kenny> both ways.
21:29 < drochaid> kenny, communication is only part of it
21:29 < seaLne> there are already enough GLUGs and SLUGs to confuse people
21:29 < kenny> speaking as a n00b! coming here and talking to everyone is great. but the meets are great for going round in circles introducing yourself getting to know people and making that level of communication better so that you can get more help.
21:30 < drochaid> yes, I have enough slugs in my garden already
21:30 < windy> who keep pissing about and I don't what else beause too much is said in this formum and not in an inclusive way
21:30 < kenny> in what way? windy.
21:31 < windy> How many people participate in SLUG IRC channel
21:31 < seaLne> /names
21:31 < windy> How many peop;e are on the mailing list
21:31 < kenny> I dunno well ther are 35 people here just now.
21:31 < seaLne> and more at different times
21:31 < kenny> dunno.
21:31 < bagpuss_thecat> how many people are active on the mailing list?
21:31 < windy> How many people have joined the forums?
21:32 < drochaid> forums?
21:32 < drochaid> mailing list?
21:32 < windy> What is the hitrate on the website
21:32 < Neil_> windy: what is your point?
21:32 < kenny> so you think a committee will get those numbers up then?
21:32 < windy> Has anyone renewed any of the international listings of SLUG?
21:32 < Neil_> were we supposed to?
21:33 < bagpuss_thecat> did we know about it?
21:33 < Neil_> did the original maintainer delegate?
21:33 < bagpuss_thecat> was it documented?
21:33 < windy> That's my point
21:33 < drochaid> does windy have a point?
21:33 < windy> Who are you or I speeking for?
21:33 < kenny> thats not a committee you need then. you jsut need people who are going to do those jobs. and get it documented somehwere.
21:33 < seaLne> www.scotlug.org.uk/statistics/
21:34 < windy> We need to establish what and who are members of SLUG attendees of meetings, maillist, IRc or WHAT?
21:35 < Neil_> bagpuss_thecat: heh, glasgownet.com is the top requester :)
21:35 < kenny> Well for meetings tahts impossible. Work,. family commitments it all depends on a monthly basis. Mail list, you have to take that into consideration. as for IRC why use a mailing list the same when people can chat live?
21:35 < seaLne> define "members"?
21:35 < windy> The membership, all of it must be involved in the way forward
21:35 < bagpuss_thecat> Neil_: nah, that'll just be the RSS feed
21:35 < Neil_> ah
21:35 < windy> We need to define that
21:36 < kenny> do ou want people to spend money of a fee to join sctlug? if so who will that money be used? how have things been funded so far? is ther any need for a fund?
21:36 < windy> I suggest the the mailing list be the basis of our membership
21:36 < kenny> why?
21:37 < seaLne> then you would have to see who is active
21:37 < windy> That all discussion on this be channeled through that medium
21:37 < kenny> why, we keep logs dont we? that can used as a refrence
21:38 < windy> It's the oldest and as far as I am aware the biggest of the media we use and is available in asynchronous mode
21:38 < Neil_> hmm
21:38 < bagpuss_thecat> errr
21:38 < bagpuss_thecat> ok
21:39  * bagpuss_thecat has better things to be doing just now
21:39 < kenny> well, I seen the mailing list, and ther wasnt much on it. as for the stuff that goes on in here!
21:39 < kenny> bigger mediam, bigger scope for help.
21:39 < windy> People can read all that is written and can choose to participate or not irrespective of realtime constraints
21:39 < kenny> I might be able to chaneel my problem through a mailing list, but why do taht when I can just come here
21:39 < tam> windy: irc is the way now. mailing lists is good to say stuff on a wide range and on an important note
21:40 < Neil_> or if you can't get help by literally asking your mates
21:40 < kenny> I had a problem with my soundcard, it took me 4 days to get it fixed. now thats me being a n00b, but if I didnt come here to get suggestions idea it could have taken longer, then I might have just got brassed off and went to windows again
21:40 < seaLne> a days worth of conversations on irc would take years on a mailing list
21:40 < tam> yup. irc has much better support IMO
21:40 < Neil_> it would be good to have solutions to problems and stuff happening with scotlug members documented on the mailing list, but I don't see it happening
21:40 < drochaid> could someone point me in the direction of the mailing lists? I can't see them on scotlug.org.uk
21:40 < windy> Because it includes ALL membership . Instant technical problems by all means come here but the future of SLUG should involve everyone
21:41 < tam> !find scotlug mailing list
21:41 < bagpuss_thecat> IRC is just another form of Instant Messaging, and we all know how popular that has become recently. There's no stopping that popularity. I agree, otoh, with keeping important stuff to the mailing list, where it is publically archived and accessible
21:41 < slugfind> scotlug mailing list: http://www.mail-archive.com/scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk/msg00864.html
21:41 < Neil_> windy: you see to be implying we're not involving people
21:41 < Neil_> nobody is stopping anybody from coming here
21:41 < windy> Time and other commitments do
21:41  * tam has contributed people getting on irc
21:41 < Neil_> and I'm sure we've posted this to the mailing list at least once
21:42 < kenny> all the chosable medium are on the website. which can be accesses by anyone looking for a linux help if done right. its the peoples choice what way they want to mediate.
21:42 < Neil_> windy: what can we do to help that?  most people here have just as serious time and commitments - stable server, irssi and screen. sorted.
21:42 < kenny> right well, the same time and commitment stop people reading through a digest and then replying windy.
21:43 < windy> Then it's a lost cause.
21:43  * tam refreshes squirrelmail
21:43 < kenny> its not a liost cause. Why instead of wanting the mailing list to be the main source work round the issue?
21:43 < Neil_> windy: maybe you could start glug and ban all non-trival irc
21:44 < kenny> I mean, turned the favoured medium into the tool taht is most important and start from there, isntead of writting it off?
21:44  * Neil_ notices windy has came to irc to get an immediate response to something that appeared to be taking too long via the mailing list
21:44 < tam> lol
21:44 < bagpuss_thecat> Neil_: or maybe cos no-one else joined in on the mailing list
21:45 < windy> You miss the point. I'm not against IRC or any other medium, but the message and the medium are intertwined.
21:45 < kenny> theyre not intertwined.
21:45 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: am I right in thinking that public archival of _any_ communications medium is a 'good thing'
21:45 < Neil_> windy: I see your point
21:45 < Neil_> windy: I just don't see a way forward
21:45 < bagpuss_thecat> in that it would be a good thing for scotlug communications
21:45 < windy> I came because I knew that chat would happen here that no one would put into an email!!1
21:46 < bagpuss_thecat> true
21:46 < kenny> exactly. which must tell you something! people spend more time on here.
21:46 < bagpuss_thecat> or, are just more vocal in here
21:46 < windy> Some people do
21:46 < kenny> exactly! either way bagpuss_thecat thats a good thing
21:47 < windy> Some people have other things in their lifes too.
21:47 < bagpuss_thecat> don't we all
21:47 < kenny> now I can understand that maybe some people dont like to come here, but there must be a happy medium then. because its fair asking the majoiryt to hinder to the minority
21:47 < windy> Then why cut them out of the loop
21:47 < kenny> opps! its not fair!! sorry missed that word out there
21:47 < kenny> were not cutting anyone out the lopp
21:48 < kenny> thats wahat Im saying windy,. find a happy medium.
21:48 < kenny> Record the chats on the webiste on a daily basis archive them later, people wont be excluded that way,.
21:48 < windy> But only if it's yours
21:48 < kenny> waht do you mean only if its mine?
21:49 < windy> It's the impression that ideas are fixed here and the scope for real debate is minimal
21:50 < kenny> not as far as I can see. I can see your point but your being a bit stubborn you basically saying that everyone has to use the mailing list
21:50 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: only cos no other sod on the mailing list seems to care or respond
21:50 < windy> We must resolve the future of SLUG with all possible speed
21:50 < Neil_> and here is where the momentum is
21:50 < kenny> well waht do you want as the future windy? Ive asked that twice and I still dont know!
21:50 < bagpuss_thecat> where do you want to go today?
21:51  * bagpuss_thecat gets his coat
21:51 < Neil_> :-)
21:51 < drochaid> the toilet
21:51  * bagpuss_thecat > core dumping
21:51 < drochaid> :)
21:51 < drochaid> don't forget to flush your permissions
21:51 < windy> I don't think it has a future I am sad to say
21:51 < kenny> but you have an idea of waht you want that to be - waht is it?
21:52 -!- Linda [bigbadwool at 81-86-241-167.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #scotlug
21:52 < Neil_> evenin' Linda
21:52 < windy> I want there to be a formal meeting of talks and discussions 11 months of the year
21:52 < kenny> voice that idea. and then maybe it might give people a better idea of what you are trying to achieve then people can give ideas on what to do
21:53 < Neil_> windy: so do we
21:53 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: ok, let's do it
21:53 < Linda> I think we should have a vote on it :)
21:53 < kenny> two heads are better than one,. but we all need to know waht you looking for
21:53 < windy> But I don't like IRC
21:53 < Neil_> yes, we already have a priliminary agenda from mrben
21:53 < Neil_> windy: lol
21:53 < Neil_> windy: start liking it
21:53 < kenny> a vote on waht tho? a comittee? what are they gonna do. itsstill nto established what the aim is
21:53 < bagpuss_thecat> mrben has already proposed a plan (on the list nonetheless), let's go with it
21:54 < windy> I think it's purile
21:54 < Neil_> windy: mrben's plan?
21:54 < Neil_> oh, irc :)
21:54 < Linda> a list... yeah! let's have a list
21:54 < windy> No IRC
21:54 < Neil_> well, I'm not arguing with you
21:54 < Neil_> but we're using it
21:54 < Neil_> (at the moment)
21:54 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: IRC isn't purile, the people are
21:54 < kenny> being a chairman of a brass band for two years, I think I can safely see you need a gola to attain too. Im still not getting what that goal is? is it not about getting linus users helping each other to move forward? because if it is I see that happening already
21:54  * tam would prefer irc than a list
21:54 < windy> We use lots of purile thinks including txting
21:55 < seaLne> maybe you do I wouldn't generalise
21:55 < kenny> windy - the only point to your debate so far is you dont like IRC.
21:55 < Neil_> that is true
21:56 < Neil_> and that you'd like discussions and talks
21:56 < Linda> I like IRC :) and u kenny... u sexy boy! :P
21:56 < Neil_> which is what mrben said
21:56 < windy> It is the most powerful thinking technique that people us
21:56 < Neil_> kenny: do you have stickers in phoneboxes or something?
21:56 < kenny> I'll be the first one to hold my hand up and say yeah a committee is a freat idea. but I need to know why it is first so I can say yah or nay on it
21:57 < bagpuss_thecat> well, if that's the case then get thse damned people mentioned on mrbens planned to actually reply to the plan and say 'yes, I'll do it'
21:57 < bagpuss_thecat> so far all we have is a plan
21:57 < kenny> i dunno neil_ I dunno even know who linda is!
21:57 < bagpuss_thecat> why don't we get some bloody confirmations
21:57 < Linda> remember me from the Cathouse Kenny! ;)
21:57 < Linda> big boy :D
21:57 < bagpuss_thecat> all chat, no fscking responses
21:58 < kenny> nope!
21:58 < Linda> and u tam... u big beast u! :P
21:58 -!- mode/#scotlug [+o bagpuss_thecat] by ChanServ
21:58 -!- Linda was kicked from #scotlug by bagpuss_thecat [wrong place, wrong time]
21:58 -!- mode/#scotlug [-o bagpuss_thecat] by ChanServ
21:58 < Neil_> hey, maybe I was next
21:58 < seaLne> woolie?
21:58 < kenny> lol
21:59 < Neil_> possibly, got the 'wool' keyword
21:59 < drochaid> Neil_, still want to be next?
21:59 < seaLne> yeah, i was waiting to see how he behaved
21:59 < Neil_> i was just gonna ask, who the hell told a girl we'd be in #scotlug :)
21:59 < kenny> not me!
21:59 < Neil_> (cause we were actually in the cathouse this weekend)
21:59 < Neil_> :P
21:59 < bagpuss_thecat> back on track all
21:59  * kenny is thinking somone is playinga  joke
21:59 -!- Irssi: #scotlug: Total of 35 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 35 normal]
21:59 < seaLne> kenny: not one of your chatup lines then?
22:00 < kenny> nope! seaLne
22:00 < Neil_> January - Bring your favourite Linux book/gadget; time to show off all those cool things you got for Christmas, and inspire some geek envy.
22:00 < Neil_> thats what mrben said
22:00 < windy> We need to get as much of the membership together face to face without alcohol and spend some time discussing the whole matter
22:00 < Neil_> add to that 'we'll talk about going to this linux enterprise thing' and thats the night sorted
22:00 < Neil_> and we'll hopefully fit beer in
22:00  * tam wonders who linda is
22:01 < kenny> right but a comittee is not there to hold meets. its there to make decisions for the beneifit of the group. a controling force that make all th emajor decisions
22:01  * kenny wonders too
22:01  * Neil_ is deliberately turning a blind eye to this comittee nonsense for the time being
22:01 < tam> ah, woolie
22:01 < seaLne> probably it was woolie
22:01 < tam> yeah
22:01  * Neil_ is taking linus' - let it happen approach
22:01 < tam> but how would he have known
22:01 < bagpuss_thecat> well, 'Linda' is still logged in to freenode, ask her/him
22:01 -!- pinkj [justin at 82-41-26-178.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #scotlug
22:02 < pinkj> yo
22:02 < seaLne> boo
22:02 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: can we agree on Januarys topic then?
22:02 < pinkj> indeed - up for a bit of problem solving (read: suggestions)?
22:02 < Neil_> pinkj: evenin' - fire away
22:02 < bagpuss_thecat> geek toys, and a discussion on 'the future'
22:02 < pinkj> yo
22:02 < Neil_> bagpuss_thecat: and saturday
22:03 < kenny> SealNe - my chat up lines normally consist me me standing in a line waiting to go somewhere and I pull.
22:03 < bagpuss_thecat> saturday?
22:03 < Neil_> bagpuss_thecat: that linux enterprise thing is the saturday directly following scotlug
22:03 < pinkj> ok, figured out why my sparc classic isn't 'working' - it is, but it doesn't like the switch it's connected to... works fine on the other switch, and crossed to my laptop.  I believe the problem is likely to be because the switch is autonegotiating.
22:03 < bagpuss_thecat> if required, yes
22:03 < bagpuss_thecat> pinkj: mii-tool
22:04 < kenny> im gonna put a post on the mailing list then. because none of my questions have still been answered.
22:05 < seaLne> pinkj: the 3com switch? if so couldn't you change it to not autonegotiate?
22:05 < pinkj> seaLne: nope, just a small 8 port one in Glasgow
22:05 < seaLne> ah
22:05 < bagpuss_thecat> Neil_: saturday event - just as visitors I assume?
22:06 < Neil_> bagpuss_thecat: I'm not sure, well we won't have real time to do anything else if we wait till thursday to discuss it, but if visitors then active "hey we're scotlug" visitors
22:06 < pinkj> I should of said autosensing btw, although I think you all know what I mean
22:07  * Neil_ is really thirsty and my choices are beer and water
22:07 < seaLne> same diff :)
22:07 < Neil_> ordinarily that wouldn't be a contest, but theres only one beer
22:07 < seaLne> watery beer?
22:07 < Neil_> hehe
22:07 < pinkj> yes, water it down
22:07 < kenny> Neil_ you live 5 minutes away from the shop
22:07 < pinkj> it'll last longer
22:07 < Neil_> kenny: i just feel like drinking the second the off licenses shut
22:07 -!- DjMagra [~DjMagra at stella.daraghmcg.org] has joined #scotlug
22:07 < kenny> typical
22:08 < bagpuss_thecat> Neil_: I'll post to the list
22:08 < Neil_> bagpuss_thecat: ooh, your are brave
22:08 < Neil_> s/your/you/
22:08 < pinkj> seaLne: not quite: autonegotiating is where your switch / hub automagically figures out whether or not you're talking at 10 or 100 Mbps.  Autosensing is where it figures out if you're using a cross over cable or not and adjusts its port accordingly
22:08 < kenny> another thing - what info should be put on the list?
22:08 < Neil_> kenny: what do you mean?
22:09 < kenny> well. Its been suggested that the mailing list be used as the main medium. what have we to put on the list? problems? chats? what we did at the weekend? what software we have just installed?
22:09 -!- TMW2N [~tmw2n at 82-40-80-148.cable.ubr01.cast.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #scotlug
22:09 < TMW2N> lo all
22:09 < kenny> hi TMW2N
22:09  * seaLne swears lots at his mailserver
22:11 < seaLne> it is upset about a filserver being rebooted earlier and can't see the nfs mounts and it is half rebooted but is probably stuck trying to unmount the nfs shares :(
22:11 < kenny> right. I jsut need to work out how to send a mail to the mailing list. hmm......
22:11 < bagpuss_thecat> kenny: if you're signed up, just send a mail to
22:11 < bagpuss_thecat>            scottish at mailman.lug.org.uk
22:11 < bagpuss_thecat> damned hidden tabes
22:12 < pinkj> my options are kinda limited to crossing it into a 'host' machine that bridges (I don't want to divide my IP subnet for just 1 machine) or alternatively, getting a long cable to attach it to the hub, and swapping whatever came out the hub into the switch
22:12 < bagpuss_thecat> -e
22:12 < seaLne> long cable sounds easiest
22:12 < pinkj> ok will do that.  thanks
22:12 < bagpuss_thecat> pinkj: is the link light coming on?
22:13 -!- pinkj [justin at 82-41-26-178.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #scotlug []
22:13 < bagpuss_thecat> muppet
22:13  * TMW2N has total deja vu
22:13 < TMW2N> i'm sure i have read this conversation before, a few months ago
22:13 < seaLne> its crazy the pile of machines he has next to his bed in glasgow
22:15 < seaLne> Neil_: i might have an indy spare would you be interested if i did?
22:16 < Neil_> gn
22:16 < Neil_> oops
22:16 < Neil_> seaLne: thanks seaLne but my nice big sun monitor died a while back - thanks though
22:16 < bagpuss_thecat> ooh, indy
22:16  * Neil_ is trying to cut back (a little)
22:16 < bagpuss_thecat> as in, Indigo?
22:17 < seaLne> as in sgi indy
22:17 < seaLne> indigo is a different model
22:17 < bagpuss_thecat> what's it like compared to an SS2, performance wise?
22:17 < seaLne> faster
22:17 < bagpuss_thecat> much?
22:17 < bagpuss_thecat> or just a teeensy weeensy bit? :-p
22:18  * thinker gets home
22:18 < seaLne> i think 133 - 150MHz (x non x86 arch multiplier)
22:18 < bagpuss_thecat> oooh
22:19 < bagpuss_thecat> still on offer to a good home?
22:19 < seaLne> not sure what all i'm getting
22:19 < seaLne> yeah
22:19 < bagpuss_thecat> :-p
22:20 < windy> I no longer care. SLUG is yours. I go elsewhere.
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