[Scottish] IRC Debate logs

[Tony Dyer]

Nice to see how you act when someone challenges your views.
So your colours are showed true here.
Tony Dyer.

In message <3FE77483.61D725E5 at Sun.COM>, Kyle Gordon 
<Kyle.Gordon at Sun.COM> writes
>For those that care, we have recently had a heated debate on #scotlug 
>about the future and the direction of SLUG as a group. I am posting the 
>logs for completeness and so that those who are not on IRC or have no 
>interest in it can see what would otherwise be called 'behind the scenes'
>
>It's all open to your interpratation. The view presented here are the 
>views of each individual person, which may or may not be a shared view 
>of the situation
>
>- windy [~NickLaGom at dyer.demon.co.uk] has joined #scotlug
>21:07 < caagaard> bagpuss_thecat,  allways for you :-)
>21:07 < bagpuss_thecat> evening windy
>21:08 < windy> evening all
>21:10 < bagpuss_thecat> well, it _was_ busy in here until about 4 minutes ago
>21:10 < tam> interesting post to the list that was
>21:10 < tam> bagpuss_thecat: well am trying to work...but more keep on 
>coming in and i get bored as i see the queue getting more red
>21:11 < bagpuss_thecat> an archive of talks would be nice, and 
>advertising of the mailing list would also be helpful
>21:12 < bagpuss_thecat> I would offer to organise that stuff, but don't 
>have the time. And the last time I attempted to organise anything for 
>scotlug I got slated for 'taking control' and not 'asking my peers' etc
>21:12 < windy> My ears must have been burning
>21:12 < bagpuss_thecat> tam: work... :-/
>21:13 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: indeed
>21:13 < windy> so whats the gen?
>21:13 < bagpuss_thecat> tam: I have damned american everywhere wanting 
>answers for a 3 hour outage earlier on today
>21:13 < bagpuss_thecat> a/american/americans/
>21:13 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: 'the gen'?
>21:13 < tam> bagpuss_thecat: i've got 6 radiance cases in my queue
>21:14 < windy> The thoughts?
>21:14 < tam> i've done around 15 since i came in
>21:14 < bagpuss_thecat> I don't have a terribly good grasp of 
>abbreviations or acronyms :-p
>21:14 < bagpuss_thecat> aah
>21:14 < tam> make that 7 cases now
>21:15 < windy> We need to become something more than we have been of 
>late or we should stop kidding ourselves on.
>21:16 < bagpuss_thecat> well, I speak for myself when I say that a 
>comittee would be nice and would bring some order to the group. 
>Unfortunately some believe that a committe is just the beginning of a 
>big formal group, etc, etc, and is moving scotlug away from it's roots
>21:16 < bagpuss_thecat> s/it's/its/
>21:16 < bagpuss_thecat> its roots being a loosely joined group of 
>people with a common interest
>21:16 < windy> If we want a drinking club or a meal club then form one of those
>21:17 < windy> with a common interest in Linux and open source not 
>drinking or eating
>21:17 < windy> About growing as a group
>21:17 < bagpuss_thecat> yes
>21:18 < sjmurdoch> edward: IBM R31 - so yes, it would seem like you are correct
>21:18 < bagpuss_thecat> I'm at a bit of a loss really
>21:18 < windy> Some of us are in it for the long term not just passing 
>through or being cool or fashionable
>21:18 < bagpuss_thecat> everyone seems keen to talk and discuss, but 
>noone wants to take on the responsibility
>21:19 < bagpuss_thecat> tbh, I don't know of many who have just passed through
>21:19 < tam> what is cool or fashionable about it?
>21:19 < tam> windy: ^
>21:20 < windy> I've done it for four year and in spite of my premature 
>demise as written by Mr Ben I now have the time and inclination to make 
>a comeback
>21:20  * Neil_ moves his idling stool closer
>21:20 < kenny> so how would you see the committee being formed based on 
>you needed a quarim of 5 people to hav ea meeting? what roles would you 
>need?
>21:21 < tam> kenny: a great speaker like you for a start
>21:21 < kenny> im just good with the ladies tam
>21:21 < tam> could give a talk oon how you got your soundcard working
>21:21 < bagpuss_thecat> kenny: with some commas, it actually makes sense :-p
>21:21 < tam> kenny: well we know that is just an exageration as you did 
>give her 20 quid
>21:21 < kenny> I did not give her 20 quid
>21:21 < bagpuss_thecat> ladies, later
>21:22 < kenny> hehe
>21:22 < tam> kenny: IOU ?
>21:22 < radman> anyone used a sharp zaurus?
>21:22 < radman> #
>21:22 < radman> woopsey
>21:22 < Neil_> first point of order, bigkevmcd recommned it might be a 
>good idea to put an 'offical' scotlug presence into this: 
>http://www.icm-computer.co.uk/events/events_current.asp
>21:22 < windy> That is a matter of the individuals perception of a 
>thing, it's when it comes to giving time and resources you seperate the 
>commited from the fop
>21:22 < kenny> but a committee needs a structure, the roles need to 
>have a palce within the comittee, I mean is a treasurer needed? waht 
>would the treasurers trole be? what is the need, its needs to be put 
>down in a constitution
>21:22 < Neil_> but as we can't really define an offical scotlug 
>presence at the moment we're a bit fscked, so here is a goal.
>21:23 < kenny> what was the original goal of scotlug when it was launched?
>21:23 < bagpuss_thecat> Neil_: looks good, and I like the idea
>21:24 < windy> Why dont you announce this as the topic of January's 
>debate and open it to all who can attend rather than stick it up here?
>21:24 < bagpuss_thecat> put it to the list, and we'll get about 3 
>replies. If we make a move and try to go ahead with it, we'll get a 
>different 3 people saying 'Who are you to represent us?'. And then 
>we're stuck in a deadlock
>21:25 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: sounds good
>21:25 < bagpuss_thecat> kenny: signed up to the list?
>21:25 < kenny> i dont think it would be like that bagpuss_thecat. but 
>for the suggestion of a comittee is perhaps a good idea. but the roles 
>need to be defined and a future goal and objective needs to be set then 
>discussed to see if its a viable idea.
>21:25 < kenny> yeah bagpuss_thecat
>21:26 < windy> I think I form GLUG!
>21:26 < windy> I think Colin might join me!
>21:26 < bagpuss_thecat> lol
>21:27 < bagpuss_thecat> there's been a change in the matrix...
>21:27 < windy> Might not be as funny as you think
>21:27 < seaLne> glug == gnu linux users group?
>21:27 < windy> Genuine
>21:27 < drochaid> glug == someone drinking noisily
>21:27 < kenny> why do taht windy. you have a hard core folliwing here. 
>of very helpful people.
>21:28 < bagpuss_thecat> g = glasgow
>21:28 < drochaid> maybe to people who know, not anyone else looing at it
>21:28 < seaLne> GlaLUG if anything
>21:28 < kenny> well commuication is the key there drochaid
>21:29 < kenny> both ways.
>21:29 < drochaid> kenny, communication is only part of it
>21:29 < seaLne> there are already enough GLUGs and SLUGs to confuse people
>21:29 < kenny> speaking as a n00b! coming here and talking to everyone 
>is great. but the meets are great for going round in circles 
>introducing yourself getting to know people and making that level of 
>communication better so that you can get more help.
>21:30 < drochaid> yes, I have enough slugs in my garden already
>21:30 < windy> who keep pissing about and I don't what else beause too 
>much is said in this formum and not in an inclusive way
>21:30 < kenny> in what way? windy.
>21:31 < windy> How many people participate in SLUG IRC channel
>21:31 < seaLne> /names
>21:31 < windy> How many peop;e are on the mailing list
>21:31 < kenny> I dunno well ther are 35 people here just now.
>21:31 < seaLne> and more at different times
>21:31 < kenny> dunno.
>21:31 < bagpuss_thecat> how many people are active on the mailing list?
>21:31 < windy> How many people have joined the forums?
>21:32 < drochaid> forums?
>21:32 < drochaid> mailing list?
>21:32 < windy> What is the hitrate on the website
>21:32 < Neil_> windy: what is your point?
>21:32 < kenny> so you think a committee will get those numbers up then?
>21:32 < windy> Has anyone renewed any of the international listings of SLUG?
>21:32 < Neil_> were we supposed to?
>21:33 < bagpuss_thecat> did we know about it?
>21:33 < Neil_> did the original maintainer delegate?
>21:33 < bagpuss_thecat> was it documented?
>21:33 < windy> That's my point
>21:33 < drochaid> does windy have a point?
>21:33 < windy> Who are you or I speeking for?
>21:33 < kenny> thats not a committee you need then. you jsut need 
>people who are going to do those jobs. and get it documented somehwere.
>21:33 < seaLne> www.scotlug.org.uk/statistics/
>21:34 < windy> We need to establish what and who are members of SLUG 
>attendees of meetings, maillist, IRc or WHAT?
>21:35 < Neil_> bagpuss_thecat: heh, glasgownet.com is the top requester :)
>21:35 < kenny> Well for meetings tahts impossible. Work,. family 
>commitments it all depends on a monthly basis. Mail list, you have to 
>take that into consideration. as for IRC why use a mailing list the 
>same when people can chat live?
>21:35 < seaLne> define "members"?
>21:35 < windy> The membership, all of it must be involved in the way forward
>21:35 < bagpuss_thecat> Neil_: nah, that'll just be the RSS feed
>21:35 < Neil_> ah
>21:35 < windy> We need to define that
>21:36 < kenny> do ou want people to spend money of a fee to join 
>sctlug? if so who will that money be used? how have things been funded 
>so far? is ther any need for a fund?
>21:36 < windy> I suggest the the mailing list be the basis of our membership
>21:36 < kenny> why?
>21:37 < seaLne> then you would have to see who is active
>21:37 < windy> That all discussion on this be channeled through that medium
>21:37 < kenny> why, we keep logs dont we? that can used as a refrence
>21:38 < windy> It's the oldest and as far as I am aware the biggest of 
>the media we use and is available in asynchronous mode
>21:38 < Neil_> hmm
>21:38 < bagpuss_thecat> errr
>21:38 < bagpuss_thecat> ok
>21:39  * bagpuss_thecat has better things to be doing just now
>21:39 < kenny> well, I seen the mailing list, and ther wasnt much on 
>it. as for the stuff that goes on in here!
>21:39 < kenny> bigger mediam, bigger scope for help.
>21:39 < windy> People can read all that is written and can choose to 
>participate or not irrespective of realtime constraints
>21:39 < kenny> I might be able to chaneel my problem through a mailing 
>list, but why do taht when I can just come here
>21:39 < tam> windy: irc is the way now. mailing lists is good to say 
>stuff on a wide range and on an important note
>21:40 < Neil_> or if you can't get help by literally asking your mates
>21:40 < kenny> I had a problem with my soundcard, it took me 4 days to 
>get it fixed. now thats me being a n00b, but if I didnt come here to 
>get suggestions idea it could have taken longer, then I might have just 
>got brassed off and went to windows again
>21:40 < seaLne> a days worth of conversations on irc would take years 
>on a mailing list
>21:40 < tam> yup. irc has much better support IMO
>21:40 < Neil_> it would be good to have solutions to problems and stuff 
>happening with scotlug members documented on the mailing list, but I 
>don't see it happening
>21:40 < drochaid> could someone point me in the direction of the 
>mailing lists? I can't see them on scotlug.org.uk
>21:40 < windy> Because it includes ALL membership . Instant technical 
>problems by all means come here but the future of SLUG should involve 
>everyone
>21:41 < tam> !find scotlug mailing list
>21:41 < bagpuss_thecat> IRC is just another form of Instant Messaging, 
>and we all know how popular that has become recently. There's no 
>stopping that popularity. I agree, otoh, with keeping important stuff 
>to the mailing list, where it is publically archived and accessible
>21:41 < slugfind> scotlug mailing list: 
>http://www.mail-archive.com/scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk/msg00864.html
>21:41 < Neil_> windy: you see to be implying we're not involving people
>21:41 < Neil_> nobody is stopping anybody from coming here
>21:41 < windy> Time and other commitments do
>21:41  * tam has contributed people getting on irc
>21:41 < Neil_> and I'm sure we've posted this to the mailing list at least once
>21:42 < kenny> all the chosable medium are on the website. which can be 
>accesses by anyone looking for a linux help if done right. its the 
>peoples choice what way they want to mediate.
>21:42 < Neil_> windy: what can we do to help that?  most people here 
>have just as serious time and commitments - stable server, irssi and 
>screen. sorted.
>21:42 < kenny> right well, the same time and commitment stop people 
>reading through a digest and then replying windy.
>21:43 < windy> Then it's a lost cause.
>21:43  * tam refreshes squirrelmail
>21:43 < kenny> its not a liost cause. Why instead of wanting the 
>mailing list to be the main source work round the issue?
>21:43 < Neil_> windy: maybe you could start glug and ban all non-trival irc
>21:44 < kenny> I mean, turned the favoured medium into the tool taht is 
>most important and start from there, isntead of writting it off?
>21:44  * Neil_ notices windy has came to irc to get an immediate 
>response to something that appeared to be taking too long via the 
>mailing list
>21:44 < tam> lol
>21:44 < bagpuss_thecat> Neil_: or maybe cos no-one else joined in on 
>the mailing list
>21:45 < windy> You miss the point. I'm not against IRC or any other 
>medium, but the message and the medium are intertwined.
>21:45 < kenny> theyre not intertwined.
>21:45 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: am I right in thinking that public 
>archival of _any_ communications medium is a 'good thing'
>21:45 < Neil_> windy: I see your point
>21:45 < Neil_> windy: I just don't see a way forward
>21:45 < bagpuss_thecat> in that it would be a good thing for scotlug 
>communications
>21:45 < windy> I came because I knew that chat would happen here that 
>no one would put into an email!!1
>21:46 < bagpuss_thecat> true
>21:46 < kenny> exactly. which must tell you something! people spend 
>more time on here.
>21:46 < bagpuss_thecat> or, are just more vocal in here
>21:46 < windy> Some people do
>21:46 < kenny> exactly! either way bagpuss_thecat thats a good thing
>21:47 < windy> Some people have other things in their lifes too.
>21:47 < bagpuss_thecat> don't we all
>21:47 < kenny> now I can understand that maybe some people dont like to 
>come here, but there must be a happy medium then. because its fair 
>asking the majoiryt to hinder to the minority
>21:47 < windy> Then why cut them out of the loop
>21:47 < kenny> opps! its not fair!! sorry missed that word out there
>21:47 < kenny> were not cutting anyone out the lopp
>21:48 < kenny> thats wahat Im saying windy,. find a happy medium.
>21:48 < kenny> Record the chats on the webiste on a daily basis archive 
>them later, people wont be excluded that way,.
>21:48 < windy> But only if it's yours
>21:48 < kenny> waht do you mean only if its mine?
>21:49 < windy> It's the impression that ideas are fixed here and the 
>scope for real debate is minimal
>21:50 < kenny> not as far as I can see. I can see your point but your 
>being a bit stubborn you basically saying that everyone has to use the 
>mailing list
>21:50 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: only cos no other sod on the mailing 
>list seems to care or respond
>21:50 < windy> We must resolve the future of SLUG with all possible speed
>21:50 < Neil_> and here is where the momentum is
>21:50 < kenny> well waht do you want as the future windy? Ive asked 
>that twice and I still dont know!
>21:50 < bagpuss_thecat> where do you want to go today?
>21:51  * bagpuss_thecat gets his coat
>21:51 < Neil_> :-)
>21:51 < drochaid> the toilet
>21:51  * bagpuss_thecat > core dumping
>21:51 < drochaid> :)
>21:51 < drochaid> don't forget to flush your permissions
>21:51 < windy> I don't think it has a future I am sad to say
>21:51 < kenny> but you have an idea of waht you want that to be - waht is it?
>21:52 -!- Linda [bigbadwool at 81-86-241-167.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #scotlug
>21:52 < Neil_> evenin' Linda
>21:52 < windy> I want there to be a formal meeting of talks and 
>discussions 11 months of the year
>21:52 < kenny> voice that idea. and then maybe it might give people a 
>better idea of what you are trying to achieve then people can give 
>ideas on what to do
>21:53 < Neil_> windy: so do we
>21:53 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: ok, let's do it
>21:53 < Linda> I think we should have a vote on it :)
>21:53 < kenny> two heads are better than one,. but we all need to know 
>waht you looking for
>21:53 < windy> But I don't like IRC
>21:53 < Neil_> yes, we already have a priliminary agenda from mrben
>21:53 < Neil_> windy: lol
>21:53 < Neil_> windy: start liking it
>21:53 < kenny> a vote on waht tho? a comittee? what are they gonna do. 
>itsstill nto established what the aim is
>21:53 < bagpuss_thecat> mrben has already proposed a plan (on the list 
>nonetheless), let's go with it
>21:54 < windy> I think it's purile
>21:54 < Neil_> windy: mrben's plan?
>21:54 < Neil_> oh, irc :)
>21:54 < Linda> a list... yeah! let's have a list
>21:54 < windy> No IRC
>21:54 < Neil_> well, I'm not arguing with you
>21:54 < Neil_> but we're using it
>21:54 < Neil_> (at the moment)
>21:54 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: IRC isn't purile, the people are
>21:54 < kenny> being a chairman of a brass band for two years, I think 
>I can safely see you need a gola to attain too. Im still not getting 
>what that goal is? is it not about getting linus users helping each 
>other to move forward? because if it is I see that happening already
>21:54  * tam would prefer irc than a list
>21:54 < windy> We use lots of purile thinks including txting
>21:55 < seaLne> maybe you do I wouldn't generalise
>21:55 < kenny> windy - the only point to your debate so far is you dont 
>like IRC.
>21:55 < Neil_> that is true
>21:56 < Neil_> and that you'd like discussions and talks
>21:56 < Linda> I like IRC :) and u kenny... u sexy boy! :P
>21:56 < Neil_> which is what mrben said
>21:56 < windy> It is the most powerful thinking technique that people us
>21:56 < Neil_> kenny: do you have stickers in phoneboxes or something?
>21:56 < kenny> I'll be the first one to hold my hand up and say yeah a 
>committee is a freat idea. but I need to know why it is first so I can 
>say yah or nay on it
>21:57 < bagpuss_thecat> well, if that's the case then get thse damned 
>people mentioned on mrbens planned to actually reply to the plan and 
>say 'yes, I'll do it'
>21:57 < bagpuss_thecat> so far all we have is a plan
>21:57 < kenny> i dunno neil_ I dunno even know who linda is!
>21:57 < bagpuss_thecat> why don't we get some bloody confirmations
>21:57 < Linda> remember me from the Cathouse Kenny! ;)
>21:57 < Linda> big boy :D
>21:57 < bagpuss_thecat> all chat, no fscking responses
>21:58 < kenny> nope!
>21:58 < Linda> and u tam... u big beast u! :P
>21:58 -!- mode/#scotlug [+o bagpuss_thecat] by ChanServ
>21:58 -!- Linda was kicked from #scotlug by bagpuss_thecat [wrong 
>place, wrong time]
>21:58 -!- mode/#scotlug [-o bagpuss_thecat] by ChanServ
>21:58 < Neil_> hey, maybe I was next
>21:58 < seaLne> woolie?
>21:58 < kenny> lol
>21:59 < Neil_> possibly, got the 'wool' keyword
>21:59 < drochaid> Neil_, still want to be next?
>21:59 < seaLne> yeah, i was waiting to see how he behaved
>21:59 < Neil_> i was just gonna ask, who the hell told a girl we'd be 
>in #scotlug :)
>21:59 < kenny> not me!
>21:59 < Neil_> (cause we were actually in the cathouse this weekend)
>21:59 < Neil_> :P
>21:59 < bagpuss_thecat> back on track all
>21:59  * kenny is thinking somone is playinga  joke
>21:59 -!- Irssi: #scotlug: Total of 35 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 
>voices, 35 normal]
>21:59 < seaLne> kenny: not one of your chatup lines then?
>22:00 < kenny> nope! seaLne
>22:00 < Neil_> January - Bring your favourite Linux book/gadget; time 
>to show off all those cool things you got for Christmas, and inspire 
>some geek envy.
>22:00 < Neil_> thats what mrben said
>22:00 < windy> We need to get as much of the membership together face 
>to face without alcohol and spend some time discussing the whole matter
>22:00 < Neil_> add to that 'we'll talk about going to this linux 
>enterprise thing' and thats the night sorted
>22:00 < Neil_> and we'll hopefully fit beer in
>22:00  * tam wonders who linda is
>22:01 < kenny> right but a comittee is not there to hold meets. its 
>there to make decisions for the beneifit of the group. a controling 
>force that make all th emajor decisions
>22:01  * kenny wonders too
>22:01  * Neil_ is deliberately turning a blind eye to this comittee 
>nonsense for the time being
>22:01 < tam> ah, woolie
>22:01 < seaLne> probably it was woolie
>22:01 < tam> yeah
>22:01  * Neil_ is taking linus' - let it happen approach
>22:01 < tam> but how would he have known
>22:01 < bagpuss_thecat> well, 'Linda' is still logged in to freenode, 
>ask her/him
>22:01 -!- pinkj [justin at 82-41-26-178.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] 
>has joined #scotlug
>22:02 < pinkj> yo
>22:02 < seaLne> boo
>22:02 < bagpuss_thecat> windy: can we agree on Januarys topic then?
>22:02 < pinkj> indeed - up for a bit of problem solving (read: suggestions)?
>22:02 < Neil_> pinkj: evenin' - fire away
>22:02 < bagpuss_thecat> geek toys, and a discussion on 'the future'
>22:02 < pinkj> yo
>22:02 < Neil_> bagpuss_thecat: and saturday
>22:03 < kenny> SealNe - my chat up lines normally consist me me 
>standing in a line waiting to go somewhere and I pull.
>22:03 < bagpuss_thecat> saturday?
>22:03 < Neil_> bagpuss_thecat: that linux enterprise thing is the 
>saturday directly following scotlug
>22:03 < pinkj> ok, figured out why my sparc classic isn't 'working' - 
>it is, but it doesn't like the switch it's connected to... works fine 
>on the other switch, and crossed to my laptop.  I believe the problem 
>is likely to be because the switch is autonegotiating.
>22:03 < bagpuss_thecat> if required, yes
>22:03 < bagpuss_thecat> pinkj: mii-tool
>22:04 < kenny> im gonna put a post on the mailing list then. because 
>none of my questions have still been answered.
>22:05 < seaLne> pinkj: the 3com switch? if so couldn't you change it to 
>not autonegotiate?
>22:05 < pinkj> seaLne: nope, just a small 8 port one in Glasgow
>22:05 < seaLne> ah
>22:05 < bagpuss_thecat> Neil_: saturday event - just as visitors I assume?
>22:06 < Neil_> bagpuss_thecat: I'm not sure, well we won't have real 
>time to do anything else if we wait till thursday to discuss it, but if 
>visitors then active "hey we're scotlug" visitors
>22:06 < pinkj> I should of said autosensing btw, although I think you 
>all know what I mean
>22:07  * Neil_ is really thirsty and my choices are beer and water
>22:07 < seaLne> same diff :)
>22:07 < Neil_> ordinarily that wouldn't be a contest, but theres only one beer
>22:07 < seaLne> watery beer?
>22:07 < Neil_> hehe
>22:07 < pinkj> yes, water it down
>22:07 < kenny> Neil_ you live 5 minutes away from the shop
>22:07 < pinkj> it'll last longer
>22:07 < Neil_> kenny: i just feel like drinking the second the off 
>licenses shut
>22:07 -!- DjMagra [~DjMagra at stella.daraghmcg.org] has joined #scotlug
>22:07 < kenny> typical
>22:08 < bagpuss_thecat> Neil_: I'll post to the list
>22:08 < Neil_> bagpuss_thecat: ooh, your are brave
>22:08 < Neil_> s/your/you/
>22:08 < pinkj> seaLne: not quite: autonegotiating is where your switch 
>/ hub automagically figures out whether or not you're talking at 10 or 
>100 Mbps.  Autosensing is where it figures out if you're using a cross 
>over cable or not and adjusts its port accordingly
>22:08 < kenny> another thing - what info should be put on the list?
>22:08 < Neil_> kenny: what do you mean?
>22:09 < kenny> well. Its been suggested that the mailing list be used 
>as the main medium. what have we to put on the list? problems? chats? 
>what we did at the weekend? what software we have just installed?
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>22:09 < TMW2N> lo all
>22:09 < kenny> hi TMW2N
>22:09  * seaLne swears lots at his mailserver
>22:11 < seaLne> it is upset about a filserver being rebooted earlier 
>and can't see the nfs mounts and it is half rebooted but is probably 
>stuck trying to unmount the nfs shares :(
>22:11 < kenny> right. I jsut need to work out how to send a mail to the 
>mailing list. hmm......
>22:11 < bagpuss_thecat> kenny: if you're signed up, just send a mail to
>22:11 < bagpuss_thecat>            scottish at mailman.lug.org.uk
>22:11 < bagpuss_thecat> damned hidden tabes
>22:12 < pinkj> my options are kinda limited to crossing it into a 
>'host' machine that bridges (I don't want to divide my IP subnet for 
>just 1 machine) or alternatively, getting a long cable to attach it to 
>the hub, and swapping whatever came out the hub into the switch
>22:12 < bagpuss_thecat> -e
>22:12 < seaLne> long cable sounds easiest
>22:12 < pinkj> ok will do that.  thanks
>22:12 < bagpuss_thecat> pinkj: is the link light coming on?
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>22:13 < bagpuss_thecat> muppet
>22:13  * TMW2N has total deja vu
>22:13 < TMW2N> i'm sure i have read this conversation before, a few months ago
>22:13 < seaLne> its crazy the pile of machines he has next to his bed 
>in glasgow
>22:15 < seaLne> Neil_: i might have an indy spare would you be 
>interested if i did?
>22:16 < Neil_> gn
>22:16 < Neil_> oops
>22:16 < Neil_> seaLne: thanks seaLne but my nice big sun monitor died a 
>while back - thanks though
>22:16 < bagpuss_thecat> ooh, indy
>22:16  * Neil_ is trying to cut back (a little)
>22:16 < bagpuss_thecat> as in, Indigo?
>22:17 < seaLne> as in sgi indy
>22:17 < seaLne> indigo is a different model
>22:17 < bagpuss_thecat> what's it like compared to an SS2, performance wise?
>22:17 < seaLne> faster
>22:17 < bagpuss_thecat> much?
>22:17 < bagpuss_thecat> or just a teeensy weeensy bit? :-p
>22:18  * thinker gets home
>22:18 < seaLne> i think 133 - 150MHz (x non x86 arch multiplier)
>22:18 < bagpuss_thecat> oooh
>22:19 < bagpuss_thecat> still on offer to a good home?
>22:19 < seaLne> not sure what all i'm getting
>22:19 < seaLne> yeah
>22:19 < bagpuss_thecat> :-p
>22:20 < windy> I no longer care. SLUG is yours. I go elsewhere.
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