[StALUG] sticking with ubuntu

garryg gargul1969 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 14 10:06:57 UTC 2010 

Thanks for the responses.

Roy re:
"I'm a confirmed SuSE and/or ubuntu/debian advocate these days - ubuntu's
Long Term Support (LTS) model is better than anything else on offer at the
price (free) and their server build is fairly compact. SuSE's Yast2 is a
nice tool and the console version is great for remote admin but debian's
apt-get is just a dream come true!"

Jim re:
"Agree about not diving in with Gentoo until you are more used to Linux.
I use Ubuntu 8.04 LTS at the moment, but will be moving to 10.04 as
soon as harvest is out the way!
Rather than dive in at the deep end, I would suggest using
Ubuntu/SuSE/Fedora, and buying a good book on the distro. Once you are
comfortable with the command line, then by all means have a go at the
more complicated stuff."

......................

Yeah, think i should just stick with Ubuntu till i build up a bit of
confidence and competence. I tried out latest release of Debian's Lenny but
couldn't get wireless running - wired was ok though. However, i encrypted my
entire hard disk (250GB) and noted a BIG drop in performance when going
online. Encrypting the disk with Ubuntu (karmic) on the other hand has made
little or no difference as far as i can tell re connection speeds and no
prob with wireless. Tried out Ubuntu 10.04 but got loads of screen
flicker/interference so went back to karmic which runs nice and stable on my
laptop.

As for a book re learning to use the command line, the copy of the 1st Ed
for GNU/Linux: 'Introduction to the Command Line' i ordered from the Free
Software Foundation just arrived the other day. So, think it's back to
school with the bairns on Monday before my Open Uni course 'Linux - An
Introduction' starts in Oct. Also had a wee scan of the Rutebook tutorial
which i'll have a crack at too.

Cheers all.

Garry.


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> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:04:12 +0100
> Subject: Re: [StALUG] FYI: FLOSS UK Unconference Autumn 2010
> Sounds interesting. No doubt most of it'd go a mile over my head but
> there's only one way to learn. Will keep it mind Rory.
>
> Cheers,
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>> Subject: [StALUG] FYI: FLOSS UK Unconference Autumn 2010
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>> FLOSS UK Unconference Autumn 2010 - http://unconference2010.flossuk.org/
>>
>> Saturday, 16th October, Birmingham & Midland Institute, England
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>> What is FLOSS UK 2010?
>>
>> This is our first unconference, and is being held in collaboration
>> with local FLOSS groups.
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>> What is an Unconference?
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>> Typically:
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>> at the start of the day everyone gets up in turn and says who they
>> are, what their interests are and what they'd like to do
>> based on this people write proposals on PostIt notes and stick these on
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>> if sufficient the proposal will be put on a scheduling board
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>> The unconference starts?
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> From: garryg <gargul1969 at gmail.com>
> To: standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:25:36 +0100
> Subject: [StALUG] trying out Gentoo
> Hey Rory,
>
> well, attempting to install gentoo for the first time was fairly hardcore
> for a gui user. just spent the last week getting my head round logical
> volume management! afraid to say failed gentoo instalment twice. got as far
> as installing the stage 3 tarball but things went downhill rapidly once
> portage came into the equation. there were a few other probs during earlier
> stages but not sure if it's cos was doing it in virtualbox or not (you did
> say to bare that in mind if things went wrong and i was looking for help).
> no matter, i'll have another crack it once i figure out dual booting and
> then find out if was virtualbox, my inexperience or a combination of both -
> i know which one my money's going on though!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Garry
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rory Beaton <rb36 at st-andrews.ac.uk>
> To: StALUG - The St Andrews Linux User Group <standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >
> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:13:44 +0100
> Subject: Re: [StALUG] trying out Gentoo
> Hi Garry,
>
> I'm not too familiar with Gentoo but my impressions of it were that it
> looks
> great for building a minimalist or highly customised system tailored to a
> specific application but a lot of effort for a standard box. If I wanted
> something minimalist, I'm not sure I'd want to install the entire toolchain
> necessary to build Gentoo. And I suppose I've never recovered from waiting
> upwards of 10 hours for X to build on a DEC 3000 running NetBSD...
>
> I'm a confirmed SuSE and/or ubuntu/debian advocate these days - ubuntu's
> Long
> Term Support (LTS) model is better than anything else on offer at the price
> (free) and their server build is fairly compact. SuSE's Yast2 is a nice
> tool
> and the console version is great for remote admin but debian's apt-get is
> just
> a dream come true!
>
> Virtualbox does have some issues and my best advice would be to get the
> latest
> build directly from Sun/Oracle. I've failed to get Win7 to install and have
> had
> problems getting various CAD/modelling apps installed on XP in Vbox on my
> ubuntu
> workstation.
>
> rb
>
>
> Quoting garryg <gargul1969 at gmail.com>:
>
> > Hey Rory,
> >
> > well, attempting to install gentoo for the first time was fairly hardcore
> > for a gui user. just spent the last week getting my head round logical
> > volume management! afraid to say failed gentoo instalment twice. got as
> far
> > as installing the stage 3 tarball but things went downhill rapidly once
> > portage came into the equation. there were a few other probs during
> earlier
> > stages but not sure if it's cos was doing it in virtualbox or not (you
> did
> > say to bare that in mind if things went wrong and i was looking for
> help).
> > no matter, i'll have another crack it once i figure out dual booting and
> > then find out if was virtualbox, my inexperience or a combination of both
> -
> > i know which one my money's going on though!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Garry
> >
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jim McLaren <Jim at blackfingernail.com>
> To: standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:32:40 +0100
> Subject: Re: [StALUG] trying out Gentoo
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:13:44 +0100
> Rory Beaton <rb36 at st-andrews.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > Virtualbox does have some issues and my best advice would be to get
> > the latest build directly from Sun/Oracle. I've failed to get Win7 to
> > install and have had problems getting various CAD/modelling apps
> > installed on XP in Vbox on my ubuntu workstation.
>
> Likewise, especially with the recent builds of VB. I can't get USB to
> function correctly on version 3.2 so am still working on 3.1. I've
> installed Windows 7 on it, but not really done much with it yet.
>
> Agree about not diving in with Gentoo until you are more used to Linux.
> I use Ubuntu 8.04 LTS at the moment, but will be moving to 10.04 as
> soon as harvest is out the way!
>
> Rather than dive in at the deep end, I would suggest using
> Ubuntu/SuSE/Fedora, and buying a good book on the distro. Once you are
> comfortable with the command line, then by all means have a go at the
> more complicated stuff.
>
> --
> Jim McLaren
> Cults Farm
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rory Beaton <rb36 at st-andrews.ac.uk>
> To: StALUG - The St Andrews Linux User Group <standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >
> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:10:54 +0100
> Subject: Re: [StALUG] trying out Gentoo
> Quoting Jim McLaren <Jim at blackfingernail.com>:
>
> > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:13:44 +0100
> > Likewise, especially with the recent builds of VB. I can't get USB to
> > function correctly on version 3.2 so am still working on 3.1. I've
> > installed Windows 7 on it, but not really done much with it yet.
> >
>
> Interesting...was this the 32-bit or 64-bit Windows 7? I was trying with
> 64-bit
> and I kept having the problem of the installer "losing" the source
> drive/directory.
>
> I agree that USB is an issue - I spent too long trying to get the guest OS
> to
> see my graphics tablet and security dongles are a nightmare!
>
> rb
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jim McLaren <Jim at blackfingernail.com>
> To: standrews at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:41:51 +0100
> Subject: Re: [StALUG] trying out Gentoo
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:10:54 +0100
> Rory Beaton <rb36 at st-andrews.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > Interesting...was this the 32-bit or 64-bit Windows 7? I was trying
> > with 64-bit and I kept having the problem of the installer "losing"
> > the source drive/directory.
>
> 64bit. Sounds like you either have a dodgy DVD or DVD drive. That would
> be the first thing I would check.
> >
> > I agree that USB is an issue - I spent too long trying to get the
> > guest OS to see my graphics tablet and security dongles are a
> > nightmare!
>
> Everything works fine under 3.1, although I haven't tried my graphics
> tablet admittedly, but scanner, pen drives Palm treo sync cable and
> other things all work fine. Upgrade to 3.2 and nothing gets recognised
> on any guest system, be it Windows or Linux.
>
> --
> Jim McLaren
> Cults Farm
>
>
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