[Wolves] I'm back!
Jono Bacon
wolves at mailman.lug.org.uk
Wed Aug 6 14:04:00 2003
Hi Chris,
Let me assure you that you will be very welcome and we
have a variety of opinions that are not with the
status-quo of the group - that is what we encourage.
We don't want to have people who are afraid to say
what they think - we love debate, beer, cheesecake and
foul jokes and I am sure you will fit in well. In any
case, when you meet Aq and Sparkes you will see you
have nothing to worry about in terms of sharing your
views. :)
Jono
--- Chris Owen <chris.owen@wmro.org> wrote:
> Thanks Jono. I appreciate your response, and it
> does re-assure me,
> along with Steve's response. I've not enjoyed
> having to play the
> straight guy here, since that feels very
> one-dimensional. I hope I've
> also managed to convince one or two of you that I'm
> not the
> crypto-fascist you thought I was initially :)
> (joke!!).
>
> My apologies to you for misreading the intention of
> parts of your
> original e-mail.
>
> It was my intention to join you at the Moon Under
> Water at some point,
> but by the end of yesterday I did wonder whether I
> would feel the
> proverbial pork butcher at a barmitsva. Not so now
> (so we may yet make
> it Moggy!).
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jono Bacon [mailto:jonobacon@yahoo.com]
> Sent: 06 August 2003 12:43
> To: wolves@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: RE: [Wolves] I'm back!
>
> Chris,
>
> Sorry if I have caused some confusion here, but my
> comment was actually intended as a joke - I have no
> interest in illigal activity at either LUG meetings
> nor on this list, and if any of it is present it
> will
> be discouraged.
>
> I set up this LUG to discuss Linux and the issues
> surrounding it, and naturally some of us differ in
> opinions, many related to the law and it's
> implementation. As an example I know Fizzy (long
> time
> LUG member) is interested a lot in the legal
> implications of computer usage. Although there are
> certainly people on this list (and pretty much every
> other computer interest list) who have an interest
> in
> security and possibly have knowledge that could be
> used to break the law with computers (remember that
> security is a double edged sword - if you know
> prevention, you possibly know attack). Although I
> know
> and respect these members for their knowledge of
> security, I cannot condone any discussion of illigal
> activity on this list - and this includes pirating
> softwre, breaching security illigally and other
> crimes. Discussion to the rights and wrongs of these
> actions is however encouraged.
>
> Chris, one thing you will get to know about me when
> you come to a LUG meet is that I tend you joke quite
> a
> lot, and sometimes it is in the wrong situation - I
> have been away in Germany for 5 days and got back to
> 44 messages on the list, many of which were
> discussing
> this subject. I thought I would chip in and share my
> views and in there was a joke that was
> misinterpreted.
>
> One thing I must stress about this LUG though is
> that
> we are a bit different from many LUGs, and this can
> only be truly experienced at a LUG meeting. We do
> not
> just sit down and discuss Linux from 7.30 until the
> pub closes - we discuss all manner of topics, and we
> like to stress the social aspect of the LUG. We like
> to meet and have fun and chat with like minded folks
> -
> this atmosphere is very different from this list - I
> strongly suggest you pop down to a LUG and be a part
> of it. You will then see that many of us tell
> extremely bad jokes also. :)
>
> I hope this has helped to clear the air and help
> ratify my original intent.
>
> Jono
>
> --- Chris Owen <chris.owen@wmro.org> wrote:
> > Jono,
> >
> > You're looked to, I guess, both on this list and
> in
> > the wider Linux
> > community, as a leader of opinion, and as a
> > respected expert. You're
> > also a fine technical writer, as I know from
> reading
> > your work.
> >
> > However, and it pains me to say this, what you
> > appear to be saying is
> > 'don't advertise your illegal activity on here,
> but
> > tell us about it at
> > meetings, when we'll all be very interested'. So
> > the subtext is 'nudge,
> > wink, its OK really but don't shout about it in
> > public'?
> >
> > This from a community which wants to gain
> widespread
> > public knowledge
> > and acceptance of computer OS. I got interested
> in
> > Linux primarily
> > because I disliked Microsoft's business practices,
> > and because I liked
> > the idea of an open, free and communally created
> set
> > of software. I'm
> > afraid that whilst Linux is associated with a
> > community which tacitly
> > acknowledges illegal activity, and attempts to
> > justify it, then it will
> > always remain marginal. Can you imagine what a
> CEO
> > of a major
> > corporation or public organisation would conclude
> > looking at this?
> > Certainly not that Linux is something that he or
> she
> > would willingly
> > incorporate into their organisation!
> >
> > Jono - if this is the Linux community, I'm
> wondering
> > whether I want to
> > be part of it. And certainly I'm considering my
> > continued membership of
> > this list. That said with considerable regret,
> and
> > not an
> > inconsiderable degree of soul searching overnight.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jono Bacon [mailto:jonobacon@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: 06 August 2003 01:45
> > To: wolves@mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Wolves] I'm back!
> >
> > Heya,
> >
> > Late response from me as I have been headbanging
> at
> > Wacken in Germany. :)
> >
> > I agree with Vinnie here. alex seems a nice lad
> and
> > I
> > don't consider him any major threat to security -
> he
> > has just done something stupid and no doubt
> regrets
> > doing it. I reckon most people have taken at least
> a
> > passing interest in the whole phreaking thing - I
> > certainly did, but I lacked the balls to have a go
> > and
> > knew that I would most certainly get caught. I
> think
> > Alex's parents did the right thing and I am sure
> > Alex
> > knows that any kind of promotion of breaching
> > security
> > systems illigally is officially not condoned at
> the
> > LUG, although there may be the odd presentation
> here
> > and there about techniques to educate the LUG
> about
> > security riskss. ;)
> >
> > The case in point here is that bragging about
> > commiting a crime is simply not acceptable on this
> > list - if anyone, and I mean anyone does it, they
> > will
> > be warned and possibly removed - I don't promote
> > crime
> > in any way and I don't want it on this list. If
> you
> > crack illigally, tell me at LUGs and not on this
> > list.
> > :)
> >
> > Welcome back Alex and come to the LUG meets to
> tell
> > us
> > more about this. :)
> >
> > Jono "CptMassiveBunch" Bacon
> >
> > --- Si Griffiths <info@a2rt.org> wrote:
> > > > In difference, it seems, to pretty much
> everyone
> > > else here, I'm not
> > > > going to be a hypocrite and I'm just going to
> > > suffice by saying...
> > > >
> > > > Welcome back, Goththing.
> > >
> > > I'm with Dan on this one. I remember Goththing
> > > coming to his first lug meeting
> > > (where he actually got in the pub) on the same
> > night
> > > that me & steve came to
> > > our meeting - and he seemed to me to be a sound
> > lad
> > > (no matter what his
> > > misdemeanors) - so yeah alex a big warm welcome
> > back
> > > from the brummie crew :D
> > >
> > > In addition to this all the talk that's been
> goin
> > on
> > > today about morality and
> > > the law is completely misplaced - the law is
> there
> > > to maintain the status quo
> > > - in short to keep the rich & powerful (these
> days
> > > those in the corporate
> > > world) where they are ie rich & powerful.
> Morality
> > &
> > > the law have nothing
> > > whatsoever to do with each other. The idea that
> > the
> > > two are connected is a
> > > mendacious lie put about by those in power. If
> you
> > > believe this propaganda
> > > well . . .
> > >
> > > On top of this it might be worth pointing out
> that
> > > the public lose more money
> > > to corporate tax evasion (something like a
> third,
> > > yes a third, of all
> > > corporate tax goes unpaid - which is obviously
> > > billions, that in a saner
> > > world could be put into stuff like say schools,
> > > hospitals, maybe even a
> > > transport infrastructure), so to moan about how
> > > 'script kiddies' are doing
> > > you out of your hard earned dollar, is again
> > > somewhat missing the point . . .
> > > *end rant*
> > >
> > > Vinnie
> > >
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