[Wolves] ubuntu on windows

Peter Cannon dick_turpin at archlinux.us
Fri Apr 1 14:26:32 UTC 2016

On 01/04/16 14:51, Alan Pope wrote:
> Everyone is wrong except Pete. Of course. We wouldn't have it any other way.

Nope, I suspect I would admit I was wrong far more than you ever would. In fact I challenge you to demonstrate an instance whereby you admitted you were wrong. I await hell to freeze over.

>> I'm glad FOSS apps are being ported, used, implemented, configured, created, developed and any other term you're comfortable with, to run on Windows. I have been a lone voice for 15 years in saying that we should be trying to get FOSS onto Windows.
> No you haven't. Many people have been saying this for years. It's
> pretty much a foregone conclusion that an easy route to better FOSS
> adoption is to go where the users are. That's why many of us advocate
> slowly moving people over to desktop apps like Thunderbird and GIMP on
> Windows, and when the user (and OS) is ready (and willing), swap out
> the OS for a Freeer one. This is a no brainer, everyone knows this.

What? What a massive turn around you're presenting. There was and has been very few people who have wanted a close association how many calls for "Microsoft should die" has there been? How many people bayed at the wind with the Novell - Microsoft deal?
> Despite your looks Pete, you're not the Dalai Lama.

Never said I was, and despite your looks you're neither Elvis or the king. but hey I'm willing to swap personal insults if you need to descend to that?

>> Ubuntu had Microsoft listed as bug number one for years and many Ubuntu users vented their venom at Microsoft on a daily basis, now suddenly the hypocrites are all "Ooh look how successful we are now our names on Windows 10" Strikes me I'm beginning to be the last one left who has stuck by what they've said over the last 15 years.
> The Ubuntu community (and indeed the wider free software community)
> isn't one big amorphous blob with a single conciousness. People have
> differing opinions on these matters. Some are also willing to change
> their views over the passage of time, based on new information. Might
> want to take a look at that methodology Pete, it's quite liberating.

I have no idea what the point is you're trying to make there? So are you saying Ubuntu did not list Microsoft as bug number one then? I'm confused? Oh wait, that's called deflection isn't it? Please try and stick to the point raised. My wife dose that starts talking about something else rather than answering the question.

>> What I despise is claims that sed. awk, and grep are Ubuntu simply because they are in the Ubuntu repo's they're not. Are you trying to tell me Thunderbird, Libre Office and Gimp are Ubuntu because they they're in the Ubuntu repos? Less brave or informed people might fall for that outrageous claim I do not.
> Where did anyone claim sed / awk or grep are in and of themselves
> "Ubuntu"? Ubuntu is a project which collects the best in free software
> and packages it up in an easy to use way.

You did! Don't you know what you wrote? 
"It is. It's bash, awk, sed, and all the other lovely command line tools from the Ubuntu archive that I know you love to play with."
You wrote that in response to me saying it was not Ubuntu.

> If Microsoft had made a deal with Red Hat or Suse, the banner would
> say "RHEL on Windows" or "SUSE on Windows" because any logical, right
> minded human can figure out what that means. "Oh, that's the
> collection of Free Software and services which people call Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux running on the proprietary Windows platform from
> Microsoft - I get it". "Ubuntu on Windows" is short hand for "A
> filesystem of binary identical files which comprise the Ubuntu
> distribution, running on Windows". At a more technical level it means
> "The Unix like utilities like awk, sed and grep, which are often found
> in an Ubuntu install, can now be used on Windows". They're all right.
> Squeezing out an email shaped turd because you don't like that the
> shorthand doesn't fit your world view that we're apparently trying to
> re-brand "grep" as "Ubuntu grep" is somewhat predictable and tiresome
> Pete.
> Nobody sees the world this simplistically, and if they did, 5 minutes
> on the Internet fixes that.

We all remember when Ubuntu tried to rebrand Banshee. :-P
>> So to reiterate, Huzzah for FOSS coming to Windows. And as for the other stuff more fool you for being gullible or too scared to speak up.
> I've had people "speak up" to me privately about this thread Pete. I
> would imagine they didn't do so publicly, for fear of being on the
> receiving end of more of your bile. Just a guess.

Pictures or it never happened.

You can try and make me look a villain Allen, it won't work. Like you I've had people agree with me. I'm not sure this is about "I've got more supporters than you" though. This is about personal opinions and view points.

Apart from this email (My Elvis comment) show me one insult I've aimed at you personally? None. But here's just a couple of comments from you.
"Despite your looks Pete, you're not the Dalai Lama."
"For fear of being on the receiving end of more of your bile"

I'd love to know where the bile is? Seems to me we need to look elsewhere for that? :-)

Peter Cannon

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