[Blackpool] Saturday

Fri Feb 13 12:53:30 UTC 2015

Heed Sir,
You're the man!  

I have read and used the stuff you've done in the past, and we would all appreciate you doing this or even just putting the outline of how it should be done. 

Regards

Arthur

> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:39:46 +0000
> From: heed at bigmassiveheed.co.uk
> CC: blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Blackpool] Saturday
> 
> @Elizabeth
> 
> For an amusing abut aimed at numpties look at how the internet works have a
> look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBWhzz_Gn10
> 
> @Arthur
> 
> It can be explained simpler than that....If I get some time I'll knock
> something together.
> 
> @James
> 
> Who is the VPS provider and what level package have you got.
> Are you going via Apache or nginX
> Important question....is it a Wordpress site?
> 
> On 13 February 2015 at 12:25, Arthur Garlick <arthur_garlick at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > I'm sceptical that it can be written in a useful guide, or else I'd have
> > found one someone else had done that fit the job when I googled it.
> >
> > In my mind it's more a learning by doing experience than a written down
> > guide.  We do need a crib sheet at the end with the details of the things
> > we did so that people can go off and do the experiments in their own time.
> >
> >
> >
> > So:
> > ipV4 addresses, how to find yours.
> >
> > Difference between our ip address and a real fixed ip on the internet.
> > Touch on Class C and what is DHCP on a local router.
> >
> > What is a router, why do we need one.
> >
> > What a web server is and does.  HTML. What actually is a browser.  Whats
> > that http:// about, and https:// ?
> >
> > How we find all of these webservers without knowing ip addresses of
> > everything - DNS
> >
> > Routing worldwide, the origins of internet and robustness of packet
> > switching.
> >
> > Traceroute, just like on the TV with the hackers, where did the data visit
> > on it's way to us
> >
> >
> > I'd cover all that in 15 minutes but by doing hands on stuff, like this:
> >
> > find out your ip address using command line
> > find out ip address of someone else's pc
> > notice similarities in the ip address's (talk about DHCP, router, real ip
> > addresses vs class C.)
> > ping somebody elses ip address in the room, what does that time mean?
> > open the router setup in a browser look at DHCP (need to ask about that...)
> > Have a machine with a standalone web server running and access it via http
> > direct from its ip
> > Open the default html file on the server and edit it
> > Do view source at the browser side
> > Quick overview of the F12 debug features in a browser are to find the code
> > behind a particular area in a big web page
> > Use reverse DNS to look up an ip of a famous site
> > Ping that ip address - understand what just happened request and response
> > compare time with the local ping.
> > Use traceroute to see how that data was routed across the world
> >
> > Also something about what Jo (and James!) does, managing VMs that are on
> > boxes physically half way around the world and the reasoning to have two
> > VMs.
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe back it up with a handout which might need to be custom to the kit
> > that person has so that the commands are right for them
> > Mint/Ubuntu/PC/Raspbian.  In my mind it's too hard to have a proper printed
> > guide... too many variables.  (But we can try!)
> >
> >
> > So in my mind it's a snappy practical exercise (15mins might be
> > optimistic) that we can do with all sorts of people, this would be just as
> > good done with Pis at the CoderDojo or new families that visit the
> > Makerspace for example.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am a dev, I just do the code, there are people on here that could take
> > the idea and improve it or put it in the bin and do it better from
> > scratch...  PLEASE DO!
> >
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:46:20 +0000
> > > From: heed at bigmassiveheed.co.uk
> > > CC: blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [Blackpool] Saturday
> > >
> > > How deep do you want this guide to be?
> > >
> > > On 13 February 2015 at 10:47, Elizabeth C <
> > elizabethcoop1945 at hotmail.co.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > re " I want to write down what will be in our 15 minute practical
> > guide to
> > > > how the internet works."
> > > >
> > > > I would be sooooo very grateful for something like that written....
> > > >
> > > > Elizabeth
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: arthur_garlick at hotmail.com
> > > > > To: jmsp.1983 at gmail.com; blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:01:05 +0000
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Blackpool] Saturday
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > The plan with the Pi wearable got changed to me delivering it to Les
> > and
> > > > Tom at Mereside tomorrow morning. We will be making a slightly late
> > > > appearance at the makerspace.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know nothing James! But interested.
> > > > >
> > > > > Been busy this week, I'll be playing with the Arduino compatible
> > Teensy
> > > > and working out what the 'compatible' there actually means.
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to write down what will be in our 15 minute practical guide to
> > > > how the internet works.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or maybe I'll just drink coffee, sit back and pontificate on the vast
> > > > expanse of things tech that doth offend mine eye.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > See you tomorrow
> > > > >
> > > > > A
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:42:29 +0000
> > > > > > From: jmsp.1983 at gmail.com
> > > > > > To: blackpool at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > > > Subject: [Blackpool] Saturday
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ahoyehoyey, peeps!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If there's anybody coming on Saturday who knows their way around a
> > Web
> > > > > > server, could you help me out with a site on my VPS? I run a small
> > > > forum
> > > > > > and it's recently started running pretty slowly - I'm at a loss as
> > to
> > > > what
> > > > > > it could be. I haven't noticed anything unusual in terms of
> > processes
> > > > and
> > > > > > memory.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James
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